Fantilli Draft And Blockbuster Trade

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That 1st is probably worth more than Guentzel at this current point in time

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9 mai 2023 à 7 h 48

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Taking nothing away from bedard, but I still feel that fantilli and Anaheim are a absolute perfect fit, the team that really lost was colombus falling out of top 2

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Guentzel is worth a mid 1st and an A prospect.
Here I see a protected 1st making it mid to low, 2 B prospects, and a negative value goalie.

Let me qualify the last piece. I like Gibson and think he is a candidate for change of scenery but, he has been negative value for 5 years straight. He is a risk. For a team like the Pens, they can't take a risk unless they aren't paying much for it.

Overall, this is an underpay for Guentzel.

That said, I agree with Landro, it doesn't make sense for Ana either. Unless you believe Guentzel will resign in Ana which I would not.

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9 mai 2023 à 7 h 51

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Nah pens decline

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

That 1st is probably worth more than Guentzel at this current point in time

How do you figure?

9 mai 2023 à 7 h 52

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You must think that we're a serious contender like Tampa, to be paying all of that for a rental. But then, would a serious contender be trading away its starting goaltender for the next four seasons?

Guentzel might be worth a first, a roster player and a prospect to a team that traditionally pays a lot for contention, but Anaheim isn't one of those teams.

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Quoting: Victor24

How do you figure?

odds are still very high that pick is top 10. 1 year of Guentzel at age 29 is not worth a top 10 pick. Great player and would get a very solid return but not that good of one

9 mai 2023 à 8 h 24

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

odds are still very high that pick is top 10. 1 year of Guentzel at age 29 is not worth a top 10 pick. Great player and would get a very solid return but not that good of one

If you didn’t see the condition, the pick is top 10 protected.

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9 mai 2023 à 8 h 27

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That’s why I said the key point of the trade is that Guentzel signs an extension. This would not be a rental. If Guentzel wouldn’t agree to sign an extension, the trade doesn’t happen.

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If you didn’t see the condition, the pick is top 10 protected.

Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement

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Quoting: Birtle34

Taking nothing away from bedard, but I still feel that fantilli and Anaheim are a absolute perfect fit, the team that really lost was colombus falling out of top 2

If they draft Michkov or Carlsson, they're not losing at all. It's out of the top-4 that would have been losing but only Chicago and SJ could have fallen out of it

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Quoting: Xspyrit

If they draft Michkov or Carlsson, they're not losing at all. It's out of the top-4 that would have been losing but only Chicago and SJ could have fallen out of it

I’m not completely sold, I think fantilli is closer to bedard than those two are too fantilli, will be interesting, I think fantilli has the potential to be best duck ever

9 mai 2023 à 9 h 11

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Honestly, the Pens would probably accept that if more money moved out. If the Ducks take Granny, too, it’s probably a deal.

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Pens fans really overestimate the value of Guentzel to a non playoff team

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement

A top 10 pick in three years is equivalent to a mid round pick this year. That's a long time to wait.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement

I don’t think it will be. The truth is, the Ducks are a way better team than where they finished. They had a coach behind the bench that didn’t know the in’s and out’s of coaching at the NHL level or how to bring out the best in players. Not that the players themselves were totally innocent in them finishing in last, but coaching was the number one issue for this team. You put a great coach behind the bench who will actually light a fire under these guys, I guarantee they don’t even come close to last place even though they probably still miss the playoffs. If they get the right guy behind the bench this offseason, they’ll be right in the mix to finish as a bubble team. Then they probably make the playoffs in 2024-25.

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Quoting: Victor24

A top 10 pick in three years is equivalent to a mid round pick this year. That's a long time to wait.

Not for a rebuilding team lol. What are you on about? It's not 3 years from now it's 3 drafts from now but 2 years from now. Maybe tell that to Ottawa and how they lost Bowen Byram 1.75 years after the Duchene trade, or the Sharks loosing out on Tim Stutzle 2 years later

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No they aren't The ducks defense this year was brutal. They have the offense but past Fowler their defense was basically the level of a mid tier AHL team. They have a lot of strong D prospects but it takes a while for dmen to develop. Even if guys like Drysdale, Mintyukov, Helleson, Zellweger, Lineau, and Warren all make the team in 3 years they will pretty much all still be for the most part green to the NHL. I wouldn't expect much results from that blueline until most are at least 24-25 years old.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Well I guess it comes down to how optimistic you feel about Ana. If you think they're starting a teardown, yes I would agree. If you think they're in the middle, it's iffy. If you think they're close to competing (as I believe OP does) then you trade the 1st.

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I think their d-core is far too young to be effect for at least 3 years I also think Gibson doesn't fit their timeline so they will need to wait for Dostal to take over which will take a few years.

People underestimate how long a rebuild takes

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