Pits pick will be 14th

Which is the only reason Anderson rumours are even being discussed in Mtl. You dont trade guys at his size and speed that scores 20 goals in his sleep unless you arent planning on competing in the near future as he's the type to get you THROUGH the playoffs. Meanwhile, certain players GET you to the playoffs like the Caufields but Anderson is the guy you need to put you over the top.
Julien Brisebois trades for these guys and lets them go because he realizes how necessary but undervalued the speed/size/grit factor is during the playoffs. Brisebois has his core and supplements by 'overpaying' for the Andersons. It seems to have worked instead of 'winning' trades like every wannabe here thinks gets teams Cups. You identify your needs and go after it, you dont try to correct parts of your team with the same redundant pieces.

so why would a team like pitts move it then

I could see a team doing it bc muh grit, but I'm not sure I'd take Anderson + Hobs 1 for FCs... esp as the pens...

If he’s so good and loved by the management, maybe the Habs should just keep him then? The only Anderson trade proposals that I see on here are coming from Habs fan.

In this proposal, Anderson is being traded for at top 15 pick. I’m sorry, but I don’t see how Anderson warrants that kind of a return with what he’s produced so far. I don’t care that he’s a power forward or not, that does not equate to a top 15 pick. They can sign someone in free agency, or find a player that requires less assets to trade for.

And again, I’m not saying that Anderson has no value, but with so many teams already against the cap, I can’t see many teams that would offer up even a later first just to fit Anderson and his cap hit in. Not sure how that’s slandering him? I can maybe see him moving for a first if the other team is sending a contract back, but I just don’t know that many teams where he would be a fit. Maybe the leafs could use him? Not sure what player they would send back tho in order to fit him in tho.

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Ah yes, I as a Pittsburgh fan want to give up a lottery pick for this. Do MTL fans know Hextall got canned?

Again, those metrics arent be all end all. They are extremely volatile.




This is extreme improvement from Josh on a tanking club 90% offense for a niche player is very valuable. You have to know how to read the metrics as well before coming to biased conclusions.

no they should not get a good player and stash him away and if pitt is going for it then sign a free agent and give it another shot.... Hard to imagine pitts rebuilding with crosby and malkin sign for several more years

He’s a terrible contract because

1) he can’t stay healthy

2) he can’t pass

3) he sucks defensively

4) he’s a “goal scorer” yet he’s never scored 30 or even played at a 30 goal pace

5) he has a lot of term left

6) he’s only had one 40 point season, and never played at a 0.5 PPG pace any other season in his career

Anderson has 8 goals and 14 points in 43 career playoff games. In the Habs SCF run he produced the same as 33 year old Patrick Maroon did last season for the Lightning. Is Patrick Maroon worth a 1st round pick+ because he helps you get through the playoffs, but at a much cheaper cost than Anderson?

IDK, a MTL fan suggested it

You are a smart man, people don't understand what he brings to the team, he terrified the leafs defence in the first round, they were terrified of him forcheking. Not just guys like Dermott, vetrans like Brodie were aswell. He is incredibly clutch.

I'm all for analytics. They have some place in the discourse and give some color but the ppl that watch 2 games a year yet place Jfresh's cards in my face to tell me or others that we are wrong... those ppl..oh man..they are unbearable and should be purged from the site.

I really like him and i think the habs put an A on his shirt next year and hughes should just tell everyone that he is not moving him like he did with montembault.. so anderson can have some peace.

I know Habs fans love this guy and will defend him to their deaths, but at some point we have to look at some Josh Anderson Facts:

-In the 7 seasons since he became a full-time NHL player (2016-17), he's missed 13+ games four separate times, and has only had perfect attendance in one season. As the old saying goes, "the best ability is avail-ability" - maybe a little cliche, but Anderson's injury history has to be at least an orange flag, if not a fully red one.

-Josh Anderson will be turning 29 in May - happy early birthday! Unfortunately, when you combine that age with his injury history, you are looking squarely at age when players start declining - there have been a handful of studies that point out 25-28 as the typical scoring peak ages for forwards. Anyone acquiring Josh Anderson at this point is getting him for his age-29 through -33 seasons; one only needs to look at Milan Lucic before and after his 29th birthday to make this an extremely bright, blinking, neon, blindingly red flag. (Lucic before his 29th birthday: 729 GP, 182-265-447, 0.61 PPG; Lucic after turning 29: 444 GP, 51-86-137, 0.31 PPG)

-Josh Anderson gets paid $5.5M per year for the rest of his deal. This year, there were 61 NHL forwards who played a game on a contract making them between $5M and $6M AAV. Josh Anderson's 0.46 PPG was 53rd out of those 61 players. The only players with a lower PPG than him were Evgeni Dadonov, Jordan Staal, Anthony Mantha, Josh Bailey, Kyle Okposo, Jakob Silfverberg, Lucic, and Patric Hornqvist. Do with that information what you will.

-Josh Anderson has played in 43 NHL playoff games in his career, scoring an 8-6-14 line in those games. He scored one goal apiece in three different trips to the playoffs with the Blue Jackets, totaling 21 GP; he put up a 5-1-6 line in 22 GP during Montreal's Cup Final run in the bubble. In those playoffs, he had two games where scored 2 goals, and 20 other games where he scored 1 goal and 1 assist combined.

I understand the argument for intangibles, but at some point there's only so much value you can put on that. I know that all it takes is one GM to make a dumb move, and also that the Habs have no real reason to sell off a player they can easily afford under the cap, but if there's any truth to the rumor that Hughes has already turned down a 1st rounder straight up for Josh Anderson, then we need to seriously reevaluate how good of a GM he actually is.

lol

josh anderson Jfresh card was actually good this year too lol, he was like 85% EV offense

That in and of itself isn't exactly the problem. The Penguins have offense. I'm not trying to say that Anderson isn't good at that. But I don't think he's good enough at anything else to be worth either a 1st or the contract he's on. I'm honestly surprised the PK percentile is as high as it is, so bonus points for him, but it's not enough.
(Also want to add with the 90% offense on a tanking club line that some discourse around Erik Karlsson's season is that being on the Sharks meant he would be able to get away with sacrificing defense for the sake of offense. Is that happening here? I don't know, but his Offense percentile hasn't been that high in previous years, from what I can tell.)

According to MoneyPuck, the Pens were the 3rd best team in xGoals for this season, and 17th in xGA. The Pens also struggled to finish, having the worst GSAx in the league, and a middle of the pack finisher like Anderson could help, but that's like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. Simply, Anderson isn't an improvement where an improvement is needed most.

And since you posted the Microstats card, that in and of itself isn't helping your case. The microstats show that Anderson is pretty good at getting scoring chances, especially off the rush. But other than that, he's kinda one-dimensional, and I'm not a fan of that.

He's not going anywhere!
Any real fan that watches the guy on a frequent basis and saw the terror he put on the Leafs, most notably, Jake Muzzin who's never been the same and all the massive, timely goals he scored in the playoffs. You cant put a price on that. He complements winning teams so well. The reason he's even discussed is because Lebrun and Seravelli have put his name out there so many times and you have a large fan base that eats up these rumours.

Were Meier and Kane useless players because they were in rumours? Of course not. But ppl like to pick and choose their narrative without context.

As far as nitpicking his points totals. He isn't a playmaker its ridiculous to bring up stats trying to justify your position and not clarifying he's a goal scorer not a setup man that excels in particular situations like the post season and turning a game around. Of course he's not a top tier player in points according to his salary. He's making decent money for the intangibles among others things. You cant say.. yeah he has intangibles but lets look strictly at his point totals. Like wut? This is the chicken before the egg argument.

its funny cuz you havent made a single point this entire thread yet still think that youre right

not arguing with someone who doesn't know puck

lmao every single one of your comments has been an insult, not a point...

if I need to explain how a 28 year old power forward who consistently scores at a 25 goal pace when healthy, making 5.5 mil, is valuable to a hockey team, I would need to have all day.

For the record, if the habs are picking up Dubois this offseason, I would rather keep Anderson anyways so I don't really care if you think hes worth this return or not.

LMAO ANDERSON>PLD?

Anderson has scored 25+ ONCE. He isnt a 25 goal forward. IDC if he was "on pace" this season, he got hurt. Big guys get hurt more. This year wasnt an outlier, every year he misses games

And even if he scored 25 every year, he wasnt even top 125 in goals this season! Its not some hot commodity. This is actually so funny thanks for this

Jack hughes did it this year. Josh anderson did it half a decade ago