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Habs offseason using tankathon for draft lottery

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Date de création initiale: 28 mars 2023
Publié: 28 mars 2023
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I explained all the trades in detail, just want to use this desc to say I used tankathon to simulate the draft lottery where I was lucky enough to move up to 3rd overall, where I’d select Leo Carlsson assuming he’s available. Thanks. Also, I made a mistake Xd, I accidentally signed all of the AHL UFAs to 2 x 8M instead of 800k. Idk why but it won’t let me undo that. This offseason leaves us with about 6M in cap space.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2925 000 $
2850 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
88 200 000 $
22 000 000 $
32 100 000 $
1950 000 $
2875 000 $
1775 000 $
1775 000 $
67 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
28 000 000 $
28 000 000 $
28 000 000 $
28 000 000 $
28 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Carlsson, Leo
3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Dubois is 95% headed to MTL in his UFA which will be next offseason. The Jets can do a few things here: 1) keep him as an internal rental that they know will leave. 2) trade him to another team as a rental and get a minimal return since that team knows he won’t be re-signing. 3) trade him to Montreal. The return won’t be amazing since we know he’s going to MTL anyways but I’d call this more than fair. Harris is a very solid young dman that can slot into Winnipeg’s bottom 4 right away. Ylönen is a fantastic bottom 6 forward, who reminds fans of Lehkonen quite a bit. The 2nd round pick in 2024 is a good sweetener to the deal.
WPG
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Ylönen, Jesse
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
2.
MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
It’s honestly hard to explain, but I just see no better fit for Dvorak than Seattle. I feel as if Dvorak would actually flourish there, and I want that for him. Montreal essentially replenishes the pick they lost in the Dubois deal
3.
MTL
  1. Hart, Carter
Détails additionnels:
Rumour has it that Carter Hart will be made available this offseason and I think this is the time to jump for Montreal. Carter Hart has vezina potential, and his value would be minimal compared to his potential. Now, the price is still fairly steep, but I think it’s worth it. Additionally, I’d like to add that this makes sense because Montreal has already been connected to Philly for talking briefly about Hart and a possible offseason move.
PHI
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
Pretty much dumping a player and cap for MTL, Florida needs a decent dman badly.
Rachats de contrats
Enfoui
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $109 788 166 $1 170 000 $4 752 500 $-27 288 166 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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8 200 000 $8 200 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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897 500 $897 500 $ (Bonis de performance557 500 $$558K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Carlsson, Leo
950 000 $950 000 $
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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3 979 000 $3 979 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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AD, AG
UFA - 2

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28 mars 2023 à 11 h 3
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Those AHL players absolutely love you right now lol
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28 mars 2023 à 11 h 10
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Yeah jets don't need lhd just make it the Florida 2023 first and kidney as a base and slightly make it better
28 mars 2023 à 11 h 11
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No way Jets take that
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28 mars 2023 à 11 h 19
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Flyers could do so much better for Hart, no?

And you're 26 M$ over the cap!
28 mars 2023 à 11 h 20
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Please note that if the Jets keep him until the TDL, he will still get a first plus...
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28 mars 2023 à 11 h 40
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The Jets could still get a better package then that for Dubois whether from Montreal or some other team.

Also have you not looked at Seattle's forwards, they're quite deep actually, they're literally one of the last teams that Dvorak would be a fit for.

What a terrible trade for Philly.

At least there's finally a realistic value on Edmunson for a change.
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28 mars 2023 à 12 h 25
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Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.
28 mars 2023 à 12 h 50
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Why would the Jets take that when they can get a much better offer for him as a rental at the TDL??? flushed cheeks
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28 mars 2023 à 13 h 35
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Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.


They could trade him as a deadline rental for more than that easily but okay
28 mars 2023 à 14 h 9
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Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.


Comments like this make me laugh. Why would WPG bother trading him to MTL when they can get a much better return for him as a pure rental at the TDL? People seem to think WPG's only option is to trade him to MTL for scraps tears of joy
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28 mars 2023 à 14 h 17
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They could trade him as a deadline rental for more than that easily but okay


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Comments like this make me laugh. Why would WPG bother trading him to MTL when they can get a much better return for him as a pure rental at the TDL? People seem to think WPG's only option is to trade him to MTL for scraps tears of joy


You guys really don't understand the situation eh?
28 mars 2023 à 14 h 31
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You guys really don't understand the situation eh?


I don't think it's us that don't understand the situation. Believe it or not, players get traded as pure rentals every year. These players/teams understand that the player has no intention of re-signing with the team that acquired them. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look at the returns for top players at the TDL and you'd realize WPG can get much more than what's proposed.
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28 mars 2023 à 14 h 34
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I don't think it's us that don't understand the situation. Believe it or not, players get traded as pure rentals every year. These players/teams understand that the player has no intention of re-signing with the team that acquired them. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look at the returns for top players at the TDL.


This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.
28 mars 2023 à 14 h 57
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This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.


Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway, even assuming the habs make an offer sheet, pissing off the rest of the league and setting themselves up to be vulnerable to offer sheets in the future. Didn't you learn from KK, but hey I can't wait for you to have to either lose or overpay a bunch of your RFAs going forward. Also thinking dubois is going for 7 mill is hilarous as well
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28 mars 2023 à 14 h 59
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This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.


So in your hypothetical situation you're assuming he's signing an OS (not QO like you stated above)? Not once did you say that lol. Also, I doubt WPG lets this play out after July 1st when an OS can be signed. This would be a draft weekend move, avoiding that situation completely. If MTL signs him to an OS after that when he's with his new team, the 1 year trade rule does nothing seeing as how the entire point of trading PLD would be trading him to a CONTENDING team so they have him for the full year.

The max MTL could give him is $6,302,230 which would be an easy match for the contending team.
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28 mars 2023 à 14 h 59
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Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway


Bingo.
28 mars 2023 à 15 h 0
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Bingo.


Montreal fans are so delusional
28 mars 2023 à 15 h 12
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So in your hypothetical situation you're assuming he's signing an OS (not QO like you stated above)? Not once did you say that lol. Also, I doubt WPG lets this play out after July 1st when an OS can be signed. This would be a draft weekend move, avoiding that situation completely. If MTL signs him to an OS after that when he's with his new team, the 1 year trade rule does nothing seeing as how the entire point of trading PLD would be trading him to a CONTENDING team so they have him for the full year.

The max MTL could give him is $6,302,230 which would be an easy match for the contending team.


It's not a hypothetical, it's real chief. Yes OS not QO, a slight technicality in terms of acronyms but the point was there all the same. If it's a draft weekend move, fantastic. You're still not getting a kings ransom since PLD wants to play in MTL and no team is going to give up the pieces you're demanding. You're making the assumption he would be willing to sign a QO with any other team you choose, you sure they're willing to take that risk? Yes that would be the max we can give him, doesn't make it an easy match for any team considering most contenders are cap strapped anyway.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya, sorry bout your luck.
28 mars 2023 à 15 h 15
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Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway, even assuming the habs make an offer sheet, pissing off the rest of the league and setting themselves up to be vulnerable to offer sheets in the future. Didn't you learn from KK, but hey I can't wait for you to have to either lose or overpay a bunch of your RFAs going forward. Also thinking dubois is going for 7 mill is hilarous as well


Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.
28 mars 2023 à 15 h 16
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Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.


*if dvorak heals, and IF he returns to form he might pull a 2nd retained at the deadline
28 mars 2023 à 15 h 33
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Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.


Expectations are simply beating a full year rental awful. Would be real unfortunate if PLD went to a contender and then decided to extend there
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28 mars 2023 à 15 h 42
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It's not a hypothetical, it's real chief. Yes OS not QO, a slight technicality in terms of acronyms but the point was there all the same. If it's a draft weekend move, fantastic. You're still not getting a kings ransom since PLD wants to play in MTL and no team is going to give up the pieces you're demanding. You're making the assumption he would be willing to sign a QO with any other team you choose, you sure they're willing to take that risk? Yes that would be the max we can give him, doesn't make it an easy match for any team considering most contenders are cap strapped anyway.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya, sorry bout your luck.


Who said a king's ransom?! And when did I ever give you my prediction on a return? He'll get fair value, unlike what was proposed above. You think Dubois just doesn't sign a QO and sits out all year lol? Not likely.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya when PLD gets dealt for a fair return, and most likely not to MTL, sorry bout your luck.
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28 mars 2023 à 15 h 43
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Expectations are simply beating a full year rental awful. Would be real unfortunate if PLD went to a contender and then decided to extend there


How unfortunate would that be hey?! tears of joy
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