ew, no... just, no

Risto is bad, but he isn't THAT bad.

I don't think I do it, just costs too much. Banking so much on one prospect that won't be on the team for like 4 years. He falls a bit further then maybe that first first plus a second and something else I would look at.

Holy Massive overpayment...
Wallinder should be a legit top 4 defenseman in the next couple years. It's possible you could get a player as good as Michkov with one of your 2 1st's, or both combined could equal what Michkov would contribute. There are very few can't miss prospects in any draft, and Michkov isn't one of those. Even if he's as good as everyone thinks he is, there's no guarantee he comes over to North America. Then you add in a terrible cap dump in Ristolainen? Hooooorrible trade for Detroit.

Magic beans trade for sure. Michkov looks special, no doubt, but so did Lafreniere...

These players are also wingers. You don't use that sort of draft capital / assets / cap space to move up in the draft for a winger. I'm not saying the Wings couldn't use an elite winger, but it should be far from the team's biggest priority. This team needs centers and right-defensemen, and it's *possible*, they could walk away with Nate Danielson and David Reinbacher with those 2 1st round picks. That fills a much bigger hole imo, and also leaves us with the high end prospect, Wallinder and without the boat anchor, Ristolainen, not to mention the other 2 picks...

Laf did not look like Michkov , not even close

we be waiting 2 or3 years for reinbacker or Leonard or Moore or whoever we draft anyways.

You still have 2 1st rounders next season and michkov is special. Kucherov, Ovi, special it doesn't matter at that point if he's a winger. Yeah I'd rather the center too but that's not available.

spot on

Hes special, Kucherov, Ovi special. It doesn't matter if he's a winger at that point.

As much as I’d like to say that Ristolinen has been pretty good about completely changing his game and becoming a hard hitting dman, and is not the cap dump he was, PHI would have to take that in a second

I get what you are saying but both of those picks can fill holes now. Personally I probably take Barlow and Reinbacher if available. If our pick moves up to 8 I wouldn't be opposed to using some draft capital trip move up a couple spots to nab him if he falls to 5 or 6. I just think it's too much to pay right now. He could be generational and I would love to have him but we have alot more holes to fill. Either way I would want to have two first round picks in this draft, I don't think I trade both.
I really think Yzerman is trying to build his team through the draft and almost everyone who wasn't drafted by him other than Larkin will be gone before this team is competitive. So more kicks at the can I think is ideal but I would still love to make something for Michkov if he fell a bit and we were about 8.

Yeah it's expensive but you still have 3 first rounders in the next 2 drafts with this deal and 2 early seconds in this one. You're still building through the draft.

Agree to disagree. He's smaller and the global climate is a LOT different now than it was when they were drafted. Not worth giving up that much on a gamble.

Yeah it is a risk but I'd rather we're proactive and gamble on talent than just wait and hope like we have been.

That reboots philly so fast.

Yeah it does which is the only way they'd part with a pick like that.

I'd hardly call Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Cossa and Kasper "hoping and waiting" and that doesn't even account for later picks that have a TON of potential (Soderblom, Wallinder, Hanas, etc)

We have some talent. I do agree that he would be a special add. He's putting up great numbers in the KHL. It's funny you made this cause I was just looking at his stuff this morning thinking how could we get him reasonably.
I think a deal if he falls to 6, which is where the Flyers pick right now, with taking Risto, our first, a second wouldn't be out of the question. If our pick is #8. I'm really hoping the Blues beat us tonight, I was disappointed we beat them the other night lol.
We could use St. Louis winning, Vancouver winning, Florida winning, Pittsburgh winning and Islanders losing to help us in the draft.
Also if we were to add assets to move up in the draft, I would hope we could get paid to take on some contracts to recoup those assets. Myers, Bailey, Faksa and Petry if the return is good enough I would do deals for.

What would you think of this? If we pick at #8, Philly picks at #6, Michkov falls to #6 (which I doubt), we trade #8, #40 and someone like Neiderbach (who is not developing like we thought but still had promise) for #6 and Risto, if they really want to dump his contract.

Well Edvinsson, Cossa, Kasper we don't know yet so let's be real there. Seider is a massive hit he's going to be great Raymond we have no idea how high end he'll be. Plus raymond 4th, Seider 6th, its more of an argument to move up.

Michkov will be the next Ovechkin!!

This is an absurd overpayment for a Russian prospect playing in the KHL.

Look how many "top prospects" in recent years panned out to be nothing or very mediocre NHL players. Looking special in the KHL is completely different than looking special elsewhere.

This is a horrible gamble, and thus trade for DET.

We don't know about Michkov either, just because he's projecting to be special, doesn't mean he's a given, that's my point.