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Armchair-GM
23 mars 2023 à 9 h 10
Sujet:
Draft day trade if Michkov drops to 5
To take on 4 years of Ristolainen, a team would want a 1st round pick or similar back. Wallinder was drafted 32nd overall, and has so far outperformed that draft slot. . The Wings 2023 2nd round pick will be around 40th overall. You're basically giving up 5 1st round or similar assets to move up to 5th overall for a huge gamble on an undersized Russian winger. No matter how you slice it, this would be a horrible trade for Detroit.
The WIngs are at the point in the rebuild where they need quality over quantity, but this ain't it imo.
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Armchair-GM
23 mars 2023 à 7 h 26
Sujet:
Draft day trade if Michkov drops to 5
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Magic beans trade for sure. Michkov looks special, no doubt, but so did Lafreniere...</div></div>
These players are also wingers. You don't use that sort of draft capital / assets / cap space to move up in the draft for a winger. I'm not saying the Wings couldn't use an elite winger, but it should be far from the team's biggest priority. This team needs centers and right-defensemen, and it's *possible*, they could walk away with Nate Danielson and David Reinbacher with those 2 1st round picks. That fills a much bigger hole imo, and also leaves us with the high end prospect, Wallinder and without the boat anchor, Ristolainen, not to mention the other 2 picks...
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Armchair-GM
23 mars 2023 à 7 h 16
Sujet:
Draft day trade if Michkov drops to 5
Holy Massive overpayment...
Wallinder should be a legit top 4 defenseman in the next couple years. It's possible you could get a player as good as Michkov with one of your 2 1st's, or both combined could equal what Michkov would contribute. There are very few can't miss prospects in any draft, and Michkov isn't one of those. Even if he's as good as everyone thinks he is, there's no guarantee he comes over to North America. Then you add in a terrible cap dump in Ristolainen? Hooooorrible trade for Detroit.
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Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 14 h 15
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Suter is not a dogsh*t player, at all. Depth centers have REAL value.
Bertuzzi's injuries this season have been fluke hand injuries, those will not diminish his value at all. They are not knee, shoulder, etc injuries - the back injury is a distant memory after no issues since the surgery and a career year last season.
Lindstrom is a young RHD, who is an RFA with team control, that fits PERFECT on the 3rd pair. He is what he is. Walman, will be a UFA and keeps running up his value more and more every day. With Chairot signed for 3 more years and Edvinsson, Wallinder kicking the door in and Johansson AND Buium knocking very loudly for LHD spots on this roster, we can't keep everyone. Walman probably has the best chance at a decent return.</div></div>
Disagree on Suter. He's a bottom six forward, on a bottom quarter team, making $3.25M, on pace for 24 points. Maybe Yzerman gets a 5th if he's lucky.
No argument on the severity of Bertuzzi's injuries, but regardless, he has been injury prone.
He's going to need to get back in the lineup tomorrow and stay healthy the next 23 games to get his value back up to where it was / should be.
Edvinsson is a lock. Of Wallinder, Johansson, Buium, *maybe* one of them make it, but there's still a long way to go for all three.
I'd be open to trading Walman, much like most players on this team. I just found it funny you're so against trading Lindstrom.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 13 h 44
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Nope, I don't expect to get more than players are worth, I expect not to get dog**** picks that aren't even worth acquiring, while giving away assets for less than they're worth
- Leafs fans are delusional. Using their values as a basis is like using the opinion of a flat-earther's view on land curvature. Bert will return at LEAST 1 A+/A level asset and at least one additional A/A- level asset as a rental. If an extension is part of the deal, even more. Kerfoot is a cap dump, Liljegren would be buried on the depth chart behind Seider and Hronek and makes ZERO sense here (nor do I think Toronto would be willing to move him, so the fit makes even less sense) and a 3rd is an average asset at best. Toronto is HIGHLY unlikely to be a trade partner for Bertuzzi, as they are unlikely to pay what he would cost.
- Might as well just keep Suter down the stretch, rather than get a garbage 6th.
- There is zero incentive to trade Lindstrom, so adding him to that trade makes no sense. I actually don't have an issue with a 4th for Sunny straight up, but wouldn't be surprised if he returned a 3rd alone.
- Edmonton deal never even happens. Value on that one is actually fine, but basis is flawed.
- Vrana deal makes zero sense, both ways. Detroit is selling low and he's not a fit in Minnesota, especially with retaining for a season+. The gamble of holding onto him with hopes that his stock goes up is the right course of action. It's a gamble worth taking.
They should be looking to move Erne for a late pick and possibly Walman for a mid pick if they can't work out an extension.
Your proposed trades are just bad asset management.</div></div>
If you're a seller you should sell, even if it's for "dog sh*t picks. Get what you can for the dog sh*t players while you can.
I hope you're right on Bertuzzi, but I don't see Yzerman getting full value because of all of the injuries.
I tend to agree on Vrana. However, if he goes back up to Detroit, and goes on another heater, there will be teams calling, and Yzerman will definitely be listening.
You see ZERO incentive to trade Lindstrom, who is regularly a healthy scratch, but want to trade Walman, who has been one of our better left-handed defensemen, and currently on the top pair with Seider?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 13 h 38
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IDKtbh</b></div><div>Bertuzzi should net us at least a 1st round pick.
Sunny & Maatta should net at least a 2nd round pick each.
You have us getting a 4th round pick for Sunny and threw in Lindstrom for the hell of it. That’s probably the worst trade you have on here. I wouldn’t even trade Lindstrom alone for a 4th, let alone what you’ve got here.
If we move Maatta it’ll be at least for a 2nd which you have here but it will certainly be a 2023 pick, not 2024.
Suter is not worth much but he’s definitely worth more than a 6th.
Minnesota is not giving up a 1st round pick for Vrana; nobody is. He may very well be traded at some point but it likely won’t be this year and it won’t be for that if it is. Also, Minnesota would like to add a Center, not a Winger.</div></div>
Liljegren is worth *more than* a late 1st round pick, so yes, you're right *at least* a 1st round pick.
You're massively overvaluing Sundqvist. No team is paying a 2nd round pick for Sunny. A 4th may be generous.
Suter with salary retained may be worth more than a 6th, but at $3.25M, we'd be lucky to get that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 13 h 34
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>The leafs trade doesn't make sense for the leafs. They aren't trading liljegren. A package that would make sense for the wings is the leafs 2023 1st and Minton. </div></div>
Fair. I'd make this trade.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 12 h 38
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Yes, they should be selling... for good returns. Those are poor returns on every trade except the Maata deal and even that, Detroit should be extending Maata, not moving him.</div></div>
So, you want good returns for bad players, but don't want to trade one of the few valuable trade chips. Got it.
Bertuzzi is the only other player that could be traded for a good return, and Leafs fans seem to think he's not even worth a middle pair defenseman.
If you're expecting to get anything more than a mid-late round pick for Suter, Sundqvist, Erne, etc. you're going to be sorely disappointed come trade deadline.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 12 h 32
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dafa</b></div><div>Minnesota is the last team needing a winger. Wild aren't trading or dumping reeves. Maybe you should trade him to another team instead of one stacked with winger and Guerin as gm</div></div>
This is fair. I think the value is pretty close, but have no idea if Minnesota would be a good fit.
I basically just picked a playoff team with cap space, not really digging too deep into team needs.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 12 h 10
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>
2. Perhaps..... but I feel that risk is one Anaheim or Arizona could afford to make with all that cap space they have. Why did Stevey waive him and not assigned him for a conditioning stint?
Vrana can play, I don't dispute that. I am more thinking there is a whole lot more to this story than we know. You tell me why they passed in Vrana for nothing?
4. As it sits right now, I see it set. Your current #7 D is Foote. #8 is Fleury.
Out of Sergachev, Cole and Hedman, Cernak, Perbix and Bogosian, who does he upgrade so much to move a 2nd?
Barking up the wrong tree in Tampa bud.</div></div>
2. There was, and still is too much risk / uncertainty attached to Vrana. That likely won't be the case by March. There were only a handful of teams that could fit Vrana under the cap, and some of those teams have an internal cap. Yes, there is a lot more to this story than we know, but I think some (not all) of it will come to light in the coming weeks/months.
4. The only defensemen Maatta would definitively be behind on the Lightning depth chart are Hedman and Sergachev. The rest he's on par with or better than. Even if you think Maatta would be the team's 6th or 7th best defenseman (you'd be wrong), that's still worth a 2nd round pick to a team that's looking to go on another deep playoff run. Team's need depth for inevitable injuries.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 11 h 26
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>yuck, no</div></div>
What exactly is "yuck"? This team should be selling big prior to the deadline. They're nowhere close to competing for a playoff spot. This is the year to tank for a top pick, and maybe the lottery balls finally fall in the Red Wings favor.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 janv. 2023 à 11 h 23
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>1. The Leafs won't be moving Liligren. A total non- starter. Has come into his own, getting better and very much part of the team's future.
2. If Arizona passed on Vrana on waivers, why do you think Minny will flip picks for the guy? Even with retention. 31 teams passed on him...... and Arizona, Anaheim or Chicago could have grabbed him for free with the same idea......
3. The Suter deal is interesting...... but I would think the Flames would be looking for more offensive impact. That being said, 100% fits their system.
4. The Bolts blueline is very set. They would be looking for a top 9 winger before blueline help.</div></div>
1. Liljegren probably isn't being moved, but don't act as if he's some untouchable piece. He's not.
2. Vrana was waived last week. This is a trade that could potentially happen in 7 weeks. Lots of time to regain that trade value. If Vrana steps back into the Red Wings lineup at some point and continues to produce near a point per game, a team most definitely will give up assets for him at the trade deadline, especially at a significantly reduced cap hit.
4. Tampa's blueline is far from "very set". They will definitely add a defenseman at the deadline, and Maatta would be a great fit.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 mars 2022 à 9 h 24
Sujet:
Deadline deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>He could probably just draft an equivalent player with that second and sell Leddy for a second or third round pick. Also I wouldn't say any team is ever set at any position but right now we have Hronek 24, Lindstrom 23 and Seider 20 as NHL right side defensemen. Then we have Barton 22 and Tuomisto 21 looking like they could transition soon to the NHL, so it's not really a position of need right now. Not knocking Liljgren as I think he is going to be a nice defenseman, but we would be better off trying to get a centre.</div></div>
Sure. Yzerman *might* be able to draft an equivalent player with the 2nd round pick, but *likely* not.
At some point we need to start acquiring players that can help the team now, not in 4-5 years from now. Liljegren would provide some friendly competition for Lindstrom, and if he continues to develop and comes close to his ceiling, he could challenge Hronek for some minutes in a year or two.
Barton and Tuomisto aren't NHL quality prospects. They're likely AHL depth at best. Neither would crack our top 20 prospects right now.
I agree that we need to address the center position, but that doesn't mean you turn down trades to bolster other positions when they come along.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 mars 2022 à 7 h 44
Sujet:
Deadline deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RedWing9119</b></div><div>No thanks. Detroit does not need right hand defensemen. And that's WAY to much for Timmy anyway.</div></div>
Don't kid yourself. Detroit are not set at any position, including right defense.
If Yzerman can get a highly skilled young RD like Liljegren for a 2nd round pick and a broken down 30 year old defenseman on an expiring contract, he'll do it.
This would be a terrible trade by Dubas.
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 50
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Name them.</div></div>
Kyle Quincey, Robert Lang, Mathieu Schneider, Dominik Hasek, Chris Chelios (two 1st's)...
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 43
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Holland picked him, he's not trading him. And just because someone is "expendable" doesn't mean you trade them for 10 cents on the dollar. Use your head.</div></div>
-biased homer
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 42
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I don't have to watch your sad-sack team to know that your castoffs aren't worth a high-end prospect.
Ken Holland has never traded a 1st round pick for a rental, and Holloway is worth a high 1st round pick.
Good luck. Ping me at the deadline when the trade results come in.</div></div>
The irony of a Oilers fan talking trash, calling the Red Wings a "sad-sack team"...... LOL
Did you just start paying attention yesterday? Holland has traded a ton of 1st round picks for rentals......
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 39
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Greiss would be the 3rd goalie in Edmonton, Leddy would be, at best, 3rd pair (if he can beat Kris Russell out of a job as well as hold off the prospects who are coming on strong this spring. Even the most biased homer couldn't possibly think that's worth one of the leagues top prospects, could they?</div></div>
Greiss at $1.8M >>> Koskinen at $4.5M
At this point in their respective careers, Leddy is a better defenseman than Keith. Keith is just in a MUCH more favorable situation in Edmonton.
Biased homer: "Dylan Holloway is one of the leagues top prospects".
Sure, maybe top 20 or so. Don't act like he's a sure fire 1C, because he's not. However, he could maybe be a solid 2C behind Dylan Larkin in a few years. If you haven't noticed, that's one thing (the only thing) the Oilers don't need.....
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 32
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>1. Greiss is absolutely a downgrade on Koskinen.
Koskinen: 3.16 GAA, .900 sv%, -0.324 gsax/60
Greiss: 3.36 GAA, .894 sv%, -0.372 gsax/60
A quick look at the prior 2 years (<a href="https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/goalie_standard/?_inputs_&std_gl_adj=%22No%20Adjustment%22&std_gl_status=%22All%22&std_gl_info=%22No%22&std_gl_fa=%2250%22&std_gl_table=%22On-Ice%22&std_gl_span=%22Regular%22&std_gl_group=%22All%22&std_gl_dft_yr=%22All%22&std_gl_players=null&std_gl_str=%22All%22&std_gl_range=%22Seasons%22&std_gl_season=%5B%2220202021%22%2C%2220192020%22%5D&std_gl_team=%5B%22DET%22%2C%22EDM%22%2C%22NYI%22%5D&std_gl_age1=%2217%22&std_gl_age2=%2250%22" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">here</a>) shows Greiss hasn't been as good as Koskinen for several years.
2. Leddy is having a terrible year and the Oilers have Nurse and Keith holding down the top-4 LHD spots.
A quick look at <a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=DET&pos=D&loc=B&toi=250&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">NST</a> shows us that Leddy is the worse Detroit defenseman for GF% rel at -12.72. Who would he replace in Edmonton, Duncan Keith? He's the Oilers best regular defenseman by the same metric, at <a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=EDM&pos=D&loc=B&toi=250&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">+4.59.</a>
Leddy is getting owned, even in relation to his teammates. And Keith has harder zone starts, fewer OTF starts and plays tougher comp than Leddy. Not a chance in 100 Leddy plays ahead of Keith.
Keith has played 33.7% of his TOI vs Elites (2nd most among Oilers defensemen).
Leddy has played 26.7% of his TOI vs Elites (4th most among Red Wings defensemen).</div></div>
I dont have the numbers in front of me, but I'd be willing to bet those numbers looked very different last season (Keith in Chicago & Leddy in New York). You think Keith all of a sudden found his game at the tender age of 38, and Leddy all of a sudden lost his game at the age of 30? Or do you think maybe it has a lot more to do with the teams they've been traded to? Imagine how awful Keith would be in Detroit this season..... LOL
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Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 23
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>Oilers don't even give this a look let alone an opportunity to be a thought, I understand they're offloading Koskinen, but giving up Holloway in the process for a couple rentals, and Griess not being a significant upgrade over Koskinen, makes 0 sense for Edmonton to do...</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Greiss is actually a downgrade from Koskinen, LOL.
Leddy is terrible too. I have no idea why Wings fans think he's worth a top prospect.</div></div>
Oilers get a similar caliber G (much cheaper), get an upgrade at D (only spending an extra $50K total). They also get a solid D prospect in return for a high end C prospect. With two top players in the world, the Oilers should be all in every year season. Holloway should be expendable.
Let's not pretend Holland wouldn't be interested in Leddy after signing Keith this past offseason. Leddy has been bad in Detroit, but he could definitely turn it around in Edmonton.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
1 févr. 2022 à 11 h 15
Sujet:
Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roysboy72</b></div><div>1. Namestnikov wold probably return a second-rounder (with retention) at this point considering his level of play this season
2. Staal has a NMC, while it would be cool to see him play with his brother Jordan I don't see him moving his family just for that unless he's seeing Stanley Cups through his eyes
3. I can't see Berggren coming in post-trade deadline and getting 1st line duties, move Vrana up there instead if you're trading Vladdy</div></div>
1. I agree
2. Staal will have to move somewhere or retire as I dont see Yzerman re-signing him this offseason. Carolina could be a good landing spot for him.
3. Three balanced scoring lines. Mix and match however you like, but I like keep the Guelph line together, the 2 Czechs (Vrana/Zadina) together, so why not try the 2 Swedes together with Larkin?
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3 juin 2021 à 12 h 7
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Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>You implied cash doesn’t effect trade value, I provided three recent examples from three different GMs where it effected trade value. We also can’t say Chris Illitch is willing to open his wallet like his father. I also didn’t directly compare the two owners but stated factual events that have happened to backup my comment.
I also agreed about the value in this trade request but merely pointed out how your statement was exactly true. You then replied saying what you meant (AAV vs cash) but then again said cash wasn’t a major factor. Multiple users on this site have said this but yet haven’t pointed to a single quote or action by a GM to back up this speculation. There’s been multiple actions and quotes from GMs or former GMs that essentially backup my comment.</div></div>
I thought it was clear I was speaking on this particular trade scenario, not a broad statement about trades in general. The cash vs cap doesn't matter much in the Staal or proposed Gardiner trade. Regardless, the value is fair, which we agree on. Gardiner for a 2nd round pick and Bokk would be great value for the Red Wings (owner, general manager, coach, players, fans)...
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Armchair-GM
3 juin 2021 à 11 h 32
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Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>Real actual dollars is a heavy indicator of trade value for some/most teams. We can look at Ottawa’s cap dump deals which involved a significantly lower cash vs AAV. We can also look to deals like ROR which were put through before his significant signing bonus was due. AAV determines who can take on a player without having to move another or possibly causing implications with future RFA/UFAs. We’ve recently seen teams like Detroit buy out contracts like Abdelkader which they didn’t need the cap but ultimately saved them in cash and that’s a team that profits a decent amount (~32M) even as a rebuilder. Teams like Detroit/NJ that are going to have massive amounts of cap space this offseason aren’t asking how much cap will be eaten by a deal but rather how long and how much real cash to buy X asset(s).</div></div>
You're comparing the Detroit Red Wings (Chris Ilitch), a team (owner) more than willing to spend money to improve the team, to the Ottawa Senators (Eugene Melnyk), a team (owner) that trades away good players when they're up for a big raise to save money. I'm not sure what bonuses and buy-outs have to do with anything here... The specific examples you're bringing up have nothing to do with this particular trade scenario.
The Red Wings have the cap space to acquire cap dumps, but they're not going to take on significant term. Two year's of a player like Jake Gardiner is exactly the type of trade Yzerman should be looking to make. And the proposed trade was about right value wise in my opinion.
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Armchair-GM
3 juin 2021 à 10 h 1
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Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>Gardiner doesn’t cost less than Staal. Staal was paid 3.2M from Detroit & Gardiner is owed 4.2M & 4.45M. There is also the question of how Gardiner’s back is going to hold up & if his contract is insured. I’d be good with the return personally.</div></div>
I was speaking per season cap dollars, not overall real dollars. After all, that's what generally dictates market value.
But yes, the return would be great for the Red Wings. For anyone that liked the return on the Staal trade, should love the return on this proposed trade.
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Armchair-GM
3 juin 2021 à 6 h 44
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Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>That's yzerman not me pal. We just don't see the same on this issue and that's it</div></div>
What's "Yzerman not you"? Did you ask Yzerman? Yzerman would take this deal without thinking twice.
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