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Équipe: 2022-23 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 8 mars 2023
Publié: 8 mars 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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If you want Wilson you have to realize that if he was ever put up on the block to sell, 20+ teams would be bidding for him. He's a unicorn that every team wants. His return would be massive. You all keep offering a return for a 50-60 point power winger, which is fine, but then you need to keep adding because if you want him you'll have to outbid a lot of other teams.

Wilson's realistic return would be a 1st+top prospect+top 6 player/top 4 player at LEAST, depending on where that 1st is, how good the top prospect is, or how good the NHL F or D player is. For example, if TOR wanted Wilson it would be Nylander+Knies most likely. Yes, I know that's a severe overpay but that's the kind of return it would take to beat out other teams.

But again, at the end of the day, the Caps aren't trading Wilson. He's the next captain. Only way they trade him is if he asks to be moved.
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8 mars 2023 à 13 h 0
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If Wilson was put on the block the return would be significantly lower.
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8 mars 2023 à 13 h 1
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You really think common sense and logic will prevent ridicules trades from being posted?
8 mars 2023 à 13 h 11
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Thank you
8 mars 2023 à 13 h 11
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same with Crouse. there is absolutely no reason to trade either of them. theyre worth so much anyways, around a couple firsts and a couple really good prospects. seems high but there isn't any incentive to trade them
8 mars 2023 à 13 h 12
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A 1st+top prospect is reasonable. A 1st+top prospect+ top 6/top 4 isn't happening. Definitely wouldn't be Nylander+Knies, Nylander alone is worth more and he's younger and Knies himself brings a unique skillset even if he's not a unicorn per se.

If we look at the Tkachuk trade which is a very unique trade, no other offers were remotely similar, but the pieces they got back was an older player in Huberdeau of a similar caliber with no-term and a really good dmen who is also older and had no-term a good prospect, and future 1st for Tkachuk with 8 years term and a 4th.

Here Wilson is older than Nylander, has the same amount of term and he's not an elite player by any means.

The best that would happen is Nylander for Wilson swap with other pieces in the trade perhaps.

If teams are offering a top 6 F/top 4 D for Wilson in addition to a top prospect and a 1st, it would be someone who is older same age, perhaps someone who they are bound to lose and probably had similar term and wouldnt be elite. Maybe someone like Tyler Toffoli.
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8 mars 2023 à 13 h 16
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He has one year left and is going to be 30 when his deal is up.

He is dealing with the typical injuries for a player of his size and style and will have the same fall off in production that the lucics have had

His next contract will be one of the worst in the league from the moment he signs it and capital fans will spend the entire period of it trying to get out of it on this website.

You can have him
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8 mars 2023 à 13 h 30
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But...Nylander is better than Wilson...
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8 mars 2023 à 13 h 51
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You should sell high now on him
8 mars 2023 à 14 h 0
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Quoting: dickie_boon
same with Crouse. there is absolutely no reason to trade either of them. theyre worth so much anyways, around a couple firsts and a couple really good prospects. seems high but there isn't any incentive to trade them


Other than both teams looking for overpays, I don't think it's really the same. For WSH, there's a lot of reasons to keep Wilson but he does have one year left and maybe they move him while his value is high as part of their retool.

In the case of Crouse in Arizona, he's a young player who is getting better. His cap hit helps them reach the floor, and his salary is consistent throughout the entire duration of his contract, so that won't even be a factor down the road.

If WSH can land Crouse for example, for a price less than what Wilson can fetch them, then maybe it would be worth it to pivot. Then again, Wilson is important in that locker room, so maybe not. They may even reject a great offer for him, doubt ARZ is doing the same for Crouse.
8 mars 2023 à 14 h 39
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Wilson only has one year left till being a UFA. He might have good trade value at TDL...if he can stay healthy. If he was traded this summer, it would only be a contender due to one year term. That's an outrageous overpay you have suggested for the Leafs....or any one team to pay.
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But...Nylander is better than Wilson...


I know. Like I said, it's going to be overpayment to get him. Nylander is better but that would be the price at least.
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8 mars 2023 à 15 h 20
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I know. Like I said, it's going to be overpayment to get him. Nylander is better but that would be the price at least.


Not even close. Your whole premise is that he's unique and there's no other player like him, which of course is false. There are plenty of other players like him Evander Kane, both Tkachuks, Josh Anderson, etc. They're nice players to have around, but at the end of the day Nylander does WAY more to help his team win than Wilson does, so he has more value. And that's without talking age & contract.

A 28 year old (soon to be 29) who has a career high of 24 goals just doesn't have the kind of value you're ascribing to him, no matter how physical or how many fights he has.
8 mars 2023 à 20 h 34
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People will understand sooner or later. Doesn’t matter of his contract status age or injury that he is playing well from so they are wrong.
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Not even close. Your whole premise is that he's unique and there's no other player like him, which of course is false. There are plenty of other players like him Evander Kane, both Tkachuks, Josh Anderson, etc. They're nice players to have around, but at the end of the day Nylander does WAY more to help his team win than Wilson does, so he has more value. And that's without talking age & contract.

A 28 year old (soon to be 29) who has a career high of 24 goals just doesn't have the kind of value you're ascribing to him, no matter how physical or how many fights he has.


Kane and Anderson are not even close to Wilson. Kane doesn't have the hitting ability and Anderson isn't even as close as skill. The Tkachuk brothers are the closest but that leaves 3 players, so I'm right in saying no one is like him.

And again, you're not getting, it's not about what YOU think, it's what every GM thinks, and every GM is obsessed with Wilson and know how unique he is. If Wilson is ever traded (doubtful) his return wiill be massive. Think Jeannot, but at double.
9 mars 2023 à 8 h 52
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Kane and Anderson are not even close to Wilson. Kane doesn't have the hitting ability and Anderson isn't even as close as skill. The Tkachuk brothers are the closest but that leaves 3 players, so I'm right in saying no one is like him.

And again, you're not getting, it's not about what YOU think, it's what every GM thinks, and every GM is obsessed with Wilson and know how unique he is. If Wilson is ever traded (doubtful) his return wiill be massive. Think Jeannot, but at double.


Very impressive that you know what every NHL GM is thinking.
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Very impressive that you know what every NHL GM is thinking.


Look up any insider that has ever talked about Wilson. It always starts with "Every GM would kill to have Wilson". Makes sense. No one is like him.
9 mars 2023 à 11 h 10
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Not even close. Your whole premise is that he's unique and there's no other player like him, which of course is false. There are plenty of other players like him Evander Kane, both Tkachuks, Josh Anderson, etc. They're nice players to have around, but at the end of the day Nylander does WAY more to help his team win than Wilson does, so he has more value. And that's without talking age & contract.

A 28 year old (soon to be 29) who has a career high of 24 goals just doesn't have the kind of value you're ascribing to him, no matter how physical or how many fights he has.


It's not about the value, it's about what it would take to convince Washington to get rid of him. Which would be a metric f***-ton.
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Kane and Anderson are not even close to Wilson. Kane doesn't have the hitting ability and Anderson isn't even as close as skill. The Tkachuk brothers are the closest but that leaves 3 players, so I'm right in saying no one is like him.

And again, you're not getting, it's not about what YOU think, it's what every GM thinks, and every GM is obsessed with Wilson and know how unique he is. If Wilson is ever traded (doubtful) his return wiill be massive. Think Jeannot, but at double.

You're right that Kane isn't close to Wilson - he's twice the player Wilson is. Wilson has three 20-goal seasons, Kane has EIGHT plus 4 more where he was on pace to score at least 20. In fact, his rookie year was the ONLY season of his career when he scored at a lower pace.

The Tkachuk's are another level up again. You're deluding yourself if you think Tom Wilson is in that company - just willfully ignoring the facts. He's just the next Milan Lucic.
10 mars 2023 à 11 h 22
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You're right that Kane isn't close to Wilson - he's twice the player Wilson is. Wilson has three 20-goal seasons, Kane has EIGHT plus 4 more where he was on pace to score at least 20. In fact, his rookie year was the ONLY season of his career when he scored at a lower pace.

The Tkachuk's are another level up again. You're deluding yourself if you think Tom Wilson is in that company - just willfully ignoring the facts. He's just the next Milan Lucic.


Wilson did or was on pace to hit 20 goals his last 5 seasons when he finally got top 6 time. Kane is a better goal scorer, doesn't mean he's the same as Wilson. Again, no one is, outside the Tkuchuks.

Wilson is waaaaaay better than Lucic, mainly because Wilson can skate like the wind. It's going to cost an arm and a leg to trade for him.
10 mars 2023 à 11 h 29
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Wilson did or was on pace to hit 20 goals his last 5 seasons when he finally got top 6 time. Kane is a better goal scorer, doesn't mean he's the same as Wilson. Again, no one is, outside the Tkuchuks.

Wilson is waaaaaay better than Lucic, mainly because Wilson can skate like the wind. It's going to cost an arm and a leg to trade for him.

I didn't say Kane was the same as Wilson, I said he's twice the player. And he is - every bit as physical and nasty to play against but far more skilled. And the best part of it is - he gets paid the same as Wilson. Huge win there.

Wilson would be sought after if offered to the market, but the prices wouldn't be anywhere near what you think. There's simply no business case to pay that much for a 20 goal, 40 point player who is paid north of $5M.
10 mars 2023 à 11 h 30
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Wilson did or was on pace to hit 20 goals his last 5 seasons


Last 4 seasons, not 5.
10 mars 2023 à 13 h 23
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I didn't say Kane was the same as Wilson, I said he's twice the player. And he is - every bit as physical and nasty to play against but far more skilled. And the best part of it is - he gets paid the same as Wilson. Huge win there.

Wilson would be sought after if offered to the market, but the prices wouldn't be anywhere near what you think. There's simply no business case to pay that much for a 20 goal, 40 point player who is paid north of $5M.


He's a top 6 ~25G probably 55-60 point power winger that plays the game like no one else does with his speed and physicalllity. He's a leader and plays playoff hockey every night. GMs drool over him. The return would be crazy high. If you thought Tanner Jeannot got a lot because he plays fast and physical, just imagine what Wilson, a player 5 times better would get.
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Last 4 seasons, not 5.


Last 5 seasons on 82 game pace goal stats:
29 goals
25 goals
23 goals
25 goals
34 goals
10 mars 2023 à 13 h 32
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Last 5 seasons on 82 game pace goal stats:
29 goals
25 goals
23 goals
25 goals
34 goals

You're including this season. Small sample.
10 mars 2023 à 13 h 35
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He's a top 6 ~25G probably 55-60 point power winger that plays the game like no one else does with his speed and physicalllity. He's a leader and plays playoff hockey every night. GMs drool over him. The return would be crazy high. If you thought Tanner Jeannot got a lot because he plays fast and physical, just imagine what Wilson, a player 5 times better would get.


Hilarious. He's never once scored 25 goals or 55 points in a season, yet you're attributing those numbers to him as if they're career averages or something.

Nobody believes your claptrap but you.
 
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