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Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 mars 2023 à 11 h 29
Sujet:
Leafs blow it up Thought Exercise Only
Why is Arizona going after rentals? Are they expecting to challenge for the Cup next year?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 mars 2023 à 13 h 29
Sujet:
Pretty Stacked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilersRule</b></div><div>When you ship him out because his contract is too long, and you need that cap room, then he's clearly not playing to par with his contract.
and again, Montreal has no need for him, with Edmundson, Matheson, Guhle, Harris, Xhekaj all being slotted at LD.....
So, maybe a team needing a guy who struggles at 2nd pairing, or is overpaid for 3rd pairing, then it could work... But I don't see Montreal wanting this.</div></div>
I didn't say Montreal was the right destination. But to suggest Kulak is not worth his salary is false. The only reason Edmonton is moving him is they just acquired Ekholm who is better, and they have Broberg ready to step in next season. Nothing to do with Kulak's play.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 mars 2023 à 13 h 18
Sujet:
Pretty Stacked
Why do people think Ceci is a cap dump? He's not. No way Holland will pay to move him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 mars 2023 à 13 h 17
Sujet:
Pretty Stacked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilersRule</b></div><div>As much as I would love to dump Kulak, Montreal is packed at LD, and he's not exactly worth that return.</div></div>
A 4th and 6th?? He's worth more than that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 18 h 59
Sujet:
Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>1. The value is too good for them to turn this down. When a team offers a gift, other GMs take it.
2. He’s 5th among forwards in short handed time for boston. He’s two seconds behind marchand. It’s not like the bruins lock in on four PK forwards.
3. It does show
4. I don’t know what IPP is, nor do I have any desire to. Watch. It’s very clear. You can’t understand hockey looking at spread sheets.</div></div>
1. This is a bad deal for Edmonton. The value is bad. Foegele provides 90% of the scoring DeBrusk does while doing some other things better (physicality, defense). Holloway is a top prospect.
2. Meh. So he can PK. That's what minimum wage 4th liners are for.
3. Prove it. I provided numbers, you got nothing.
4. The percentage of points a player gets compared to how many goals he's on the ice for. Shows how involved he is in creating offense or if he's riding coattails. DeBrusk is riding coattails.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 17 h 25
Sujet:
Fire torts and rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>The trade works if they take on Ceci imo,
Nurse-Ekholm
Provorov- Bouch
Broberg-Kulak</div></div>
Woodcroft clearly doesn't like his Dmen playing their offside, so I don't see that happening. Defensemen are less effective on their offside, so it's not as simple as shifting Ekholm over, you have to account for the fact that he'll be less effective there too.
Besides, is Provorov worth the $3M+ extra over Ceci? And a 1st? I'm not seeing it. Ceci has played the 3rd most minutes against the leagues best players this year, and done reasonably well - better than Provorov has.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 17 h 5
Sujet:
Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Where he fits in in edmonton on the PP doesn’t affect his value. There are 30 other teams in the league.</div></div>
Um, when we're discussing a trade to Edmonton, it's 100% relevant. They aren't going to pay for something they don't need, it's as simple as that. Therefore they reject the trade offer, whether you think it's FMV or not.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>He’s #2 in shorthanded TOI among bruins wingers, two whole seconds behind marchand. </div></div>
There's your issue. Forwards don't play "wing" when shorthanded, so only comparing him to other wingers doesn't give you an accurate picture if his usage.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>He’s so much better than Foegele. Watching one shift would tell ya that.</div></div>
If he was so much better it would show in his results. It doesn't. Particularly concerning is his super low IPP at 5v5. He's clearly a complimentary piece who relies on others around him to create chances and drive play.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 16 h 18
Sujet:
Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Jake debrusk is really good at powerplay and penalty kill. Putting him and Foegele in the same paragraph is an injustice.</div></div>
Actually I'm surprised to see that Boston's PP is outside the top-10 in the league. I would have thought it would be better than that.
It has really dropped off in the second half - 27th in the league since January 1st. Yikes.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 16 h 12
Sujet:
Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Jake debrusk is really good at powerplay and penalty kill. Putting him and Foegele in the same paragraph is an injustice.</div></div>
He's wouldn't be getting 1st unit time in Edmonton and the 2nd unit doesn't play much, so that has limited appeal for the Oilers.
He's also not a primary or secondary option for the PK in Boston, there are 5 forwards with greater TOI on the PK.
He'd be 2rd line LW in Edmonton with a limited special teams role, similar usage to Foegele. Therefore it makes perfect sense to compare them.
He might well be a slight upgrade and in this scenario saves the Oilers $750k for one year, but that's not worth sending Dylan Holloway the other way. (Actually I don't think it would save them that much as they'd have to replace Holloway on next year's roster and that would likely cost more than Holloway's ELC).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 15 h 26
Sujet:
Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
Hall and Ebs back together again!
I don't see Edmonton touching that deal. DeBrusk is barely outscoring Foegele despite playing with better linemates.
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8477998&p2=8478498&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Foegele v DeBrusk at 5v5</a>
They value Holloway highly, they won't use him as a throw-in to get a modest improvement and 3LW and a few hundred thousand in cap savings.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 15 h 17
Sujet:
Grading every teams cap situation for 2023-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>They have 73 million for 14 players, or 75 for 15 players if you include Reilly.
Sign Swayman and replace remaining spots with minimum contracts...and its not terrible.
But would be one the bigger on-the-ice changes to go from Bergeron, Krejci, Orlov, Bertuzzi, Hathaway to a bunch of league minimum guys.</div></div>
8 players on minimum contracts though? That seems unlikely.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 14 h 41
Sujet:
Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian_Lee_Harvey_Oswald</b></div><div>Oops, You're right. I am a moron and apologize for my sarcasm.</div></div>
Dang, I was hoping that they had changed their name to "Nordiques"!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 14 h 32
Sujet:
Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian_Lee_Harvey_Oswald</b></div><div>weird cause the Avs have nothing to do with this. Do you read anything?</div></div>
Huh? The trade above is Joel Edmundson to the Avs for their 1st and prospect Mikhail Maltsev.
Unless the Colorado team changed their name and nobody told me...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 14 h 13
Sujet:
Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>Pretty delusional</div></div>
I mean, everyone knows about Edmundson herniated disc issues, right? And everyone can see just how ineffective his play has been this year, right? And that he has just 1 year left on his contract? He likely wouldn't make the Avs NHL roster and yet this guy wants a 1st and a prospect for him. I'm not sure "delusional" is a strong enough word, TBH.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 14 h 0
Sujet:
Fire torts and rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tennisman142</b></div><div>Don't the Oilers already have Nurse and Ekholm on the left side?</div></div>
They have Kulak under contract for 3 more years too, and Broberg needing a spot. There would be no interest in this deal from Edmonton's side.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 13 h 47
Sujet:
i am poor
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>When I posted this he just posted the roster, there were no moves</div></div>
:awesome
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 13 h 41
Sujet:
i am poor
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Did you forget, I don’t know, everything?</div></div>
You mean like the fact that the trade deadline is past? LOL.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 13 h 38
Sujet:
Next year
Edmonton wouldn't trade Future Considerations for Edmundson, let alone a good middle-6 winger and a 2nd. They decline and it's not close.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 mars 2023 à 10 h 13
Sujet:
2023-24 Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhoAmI</b></div><div>Just because Ceci is playing the 3rd hardest minutes in the league does not mean he's good enough to be playing those minutes, and playing hard minutes does not dictate market value. Playing well does. He's not playing well, despite the minutes. Edmonton would be lucky to trade him without taking any salary dump back.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TraderJoes</b></div><div>That's a ridiculous take. Ceci's on ice SA/60 and GA/60 are similar to Kulak's despite the latter getting sheltered from the opposition's best players. That has value whether you recognize it or not.</div></div>
Case in point: in last night's game at 5v5 Ceci played
8:58 v Stützle
8:46 v Batherson
7:58 v Tkachuk
5:06 v Debrincat
4:37 v Giroux
Kulak played
1:15 v Stützle
1:39 v Batherson
1:18 v Tkachuk
2:10 v Debrincat
1:49 v Giroux
Kulak's 79% xGF% seems more impressive than Ceci's 64% on the surface, but when you consider their competition it's obvious who is the more valuable player.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 17 h 56
Sujet:
Sell Hard
Your trading partners are all wrong. Colorado needs a center, NYR don't need LW, Buffalo and Edmonton <strong>definitely</strong> don't need LHD.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 17 h 7
Sujet:
2023-24 Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhoAmI</b></div><div>Just because Ceci is playing the 3rd hardest minutes in the league does not mean he's good enough to be playing those minutes, and playing hard minutes does not dictate market value. Playing well does. He's not playing well, despite the minutes. Edmonton would be lucky to trade him without taking any salary dump back.</div></div>
That's a ridiculous take. Ceci's on ice SA/60 and GA/60 are similar to Kulak's despite the latter getting sheltered from the opposition's best players. That has value whether you recognize it or not.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 16 h 53
Sujet:
2023-24 Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhoAmI</b></div><div>Ceci is playing like garbage this year. When he's not playing top pairing minutes, he gets better. The Nurse-Ceci pairing is atrocious at all times though. Woodcroft needs to break them up, cause it's not working anymore. As for Kulak.. I like Kulak, far more than Ceci this season. I just wanted Broberg to get full time duties next season, so Kulak gets the boot.</div></div>
I don't mind you trading Kulak, that's not the point. My point is that you don't seem to understand what player values are based on - and the fact that Ceci plays the 3rd hardest minutes in the entire league for just 3.25 mil makes him a value contract, not a dump. He's worth MORE than Kulak.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 16 h 44
Sujet:
brown
Edmonton has been adding big, fast and physical wingers that can shoot. Brown isn't that at all.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 16 h 38
Sujet:
2023-24 Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhoAmI</b></div><div>I was just looking for a team with cap space lol.</div></div>
Why do you consider Ceci a cap dump and Kulak as being worth a 3rd? You do understand that Ceci plays 1st pairing and Kulak 3rd, right? And that their cap hits are similar?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 mars 2023 à 16 h 29
Sujet:
Off season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>myboykole</b></div><div>Well. <strong>They wanted 3 firsts for him</strong>, they are retaining, and, even though he's been decent, take back Kotkaniemi. You could take out the second if you want. Imagine EK65 playing with Aho and the rest of the guys. They would be deadly.</div></div>
Pretty sure Mike Grier said outright that this wasn't true.
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