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1 mars 2023 à 18 h 46
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Really scratching my head now. Pretty disappointed overall with how things are unraveling lately.
Seeing a lot of teams make moves right now for the prices they are getting is making me think we may not even get anything higher than a 3rd this deadline.

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1 mars 2023 à 18 h 47
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Listing off the Ducks users I know here:

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1 mars 2023 à 18 h 48
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Listing off the Ducks users I know here:

OldNYIFan
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@GiggyWithGibby
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Listing off the Ducks users I know here:

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Klingberg and Kulikov (I'm really hoping that they DON'T move him) are being held out tonight, so we may see some action tomorrow, and there's always Adam Henrique. But all of the teams that have multiple first-rounders are non-contenders, so we're reduced to hoping for a nice return from someone like Pittsburgh or Buffalo or Carolina (who have traded out of the first round before). Maybe one of our later seconds (or both) will allow us to move up.

@Lenny7

I can't believe that Detroit now has 5 picks in the top 48 -- in THIS draft.
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1 mars 2023 à 20 h 55
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Worried we've waited too long to pull the trigger on trades. If Verbeek gets more 1sts this year, it might be for someone unexpected to move, like Terry.

I know there's an arms race on but it seems like the buyers may have loaded up on what they're going to pick up.

Edit: we weren't going to have a great TDL anyway with the assets we had to sell. Shattenkirk and Klingberg have both played well below expectations this year and it makes more sense to keep Henrique on the roster than to move him. Stolarz hasn't been great this season either, and while Kulikovs done a fine job, hes not a major asset either. I think the off-season is going to be bigger for us.
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2 mars 2023 à 2 h 44
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Worried we've waited too long to pull the trigger on trades. If Verbeek gets more 1sts this year, it might be for someone unexpected to move, like Terry.

I know there's an arms race on but it seems like the buyers may have loaded up on what they're going to pick up.

Edit: we weren't going to have a great TDL anyway with the assets we had to sell. Shattenkirk and Klingberg have both played well below expectations this year and it makes more sense to keep Henrique on the roster than to move him. Stolarz hasn't been great this season either, and while Kulikovs done a fine job, hes not a major asset either. I think the off-season is going to be bigger for us.


I think it’s too late. You’re right
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2 mars 2023 à 5 h 52
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Worried we've waited too long to pull the trigger on trades. If Verbeek gets more 1sts this year, it might be for someone unexpected to move, like Terry.

I know there's an arms race on but it seems like the buyers may have loaded up on what they're going to pick up.

Edit: we weren't going to have a great TDL anyway with the assets we had to sell. Shattenkirk and Klingberg have both played well below expectations this year and it makes more sense to keep Henrique on the roster than to move him. Stolarz hasn't been great this season either, and while Kulikovs done a fine job, hes not a major asset either. I think the off-season is going to be bigger for us.


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I think it’s too late. You’re right


Yeah, I'm probably on the same page when it comes to "We missed out". Not that I think there's necessarily anyone who would have given up a 1st for one of our guys due to the Eakins effect, but seeing Ghost go for a 3rd pretty much sets that end of the market.

Might be unpopular, but I'd like to see us try to keep Klinger now on a Barrie-type contract (3 x $4.5). Not sure that's realistic, but when he's deployed properly, he's fine, and insulates Drysdale's return next year.

All that being said, last year I was feeling the same way leading up to the deadline, because we still had Rakell/Hampus leading up to zero hour, and Verbeek managed to pull that off. I'm not sure how much I want to blame him right now, but if you keep a coach that has zero defensive strategy, you can't expect your dmen to look anything better than "meh".

Let's go out and get a couple of mid-round picks for the Kulikov/Shatty-types, then re-organize with a new coach.
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2 mars 2023 à 8 h 35
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I think a lot of people are severely overreacting when calling this TDL over for the Ducks. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes and a lot of people thought it was over last season as well when Hampus and Rakell weren't traded days before. There's still plenty of time left and I wouldn't be disappointed before the deadline's actually over.
2 mars 2023 à 10 h 21
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Yeah, I'm probably on the same page when it comes to "We missed out". Not that I think there's necessarily anyone who would have given up a 1st for one of our guys due to the Eakins effect, but seeing Ghost go for a 3rd pretty much sets that end of the market.

Might be unpopular, but I'd like to see us try to keep Klinger now on a Barrie-type contract (3 x $4.5). Not sure that's realistic, but when he's deployed properly, he's fine, and insulates Drysdale's return next year.

All that being said, last year I was feeling the same way leading up to the deadline, because we still had Rakell/Hampus leading up to zero hour, and Verbeek managed to pull that off. I'm not sure how much I want to blame him right now, but if you keep a coach that has zero defensive strategy, you can't expect your dmen to look anything better than "meh".

Let's go out and get a couple of mid-round picks for the Kulikov/Shatty-types, then re-organize with a new coach.


I don't really see a reason to keep Klinger, even on a Barrie deal. Yes, he's fine in the right deployment, but we can't toss a rookie on as his defensive partner, we need an experienced stay at home defenseman for him, so now we need to go get someone for him, unless you are planning to use Vaakainen. Fowler seems to run the power play just fine, Drysdale needs to learn to run it as well, so why have a third PPQB, are we going to pull back Fowler or Klingberg so that Drysdale can be PPQB. Add to the fact that we have a lot of offensive talent at LD expected on the roster as early as next season, I don't think it makes sense for the roster moving forward, and I'm not sure it makes sense for Klingberg either.
2 mars 2023 à 11 h 22
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I don't really see a reason to keep Klinger, even on a Barrie deal. Yes, he's fine in the right deployment, but we can't toss a rookie on as his defensive partner, we need an experienced stay at home defenseman for him, so now we need to go get someone for him, unless you are planning to use Vaakainen. Fowler seems to run the power play just fine, Drysdale needs to learn to run it as well, so why have a third PPQB, are we going to pull back Fowler or Klingberg so that Drysdale can be PPQB. Add to the fact that we have a lot of offensive talent at LD expected on the roster as early as next season, I don't think it makes sense for the roster moving forward, and I'm not sure it makes sense for Klingberg either.



My worry is that the RHD market this offseason is realtilvue weak and this offseason only Fowler and Drysdale are 100% returning. So it couldn’t hurt to keep Klingberg
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2 mars 2023 à 12 h 39
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My worry is that the RHD market this offseason is realtilvue weak and this offseason only Fowler and Drysdale are 100% returning. So it couldn’t hurt to keep Klingberg


I guess it depends on where you stand with Fowler-Drysdale as a D pairing. I don't think they work well together, and they've seen very little time together last season when Drysdale was with Lindholm most of the year, he was then set up with Vaakainen to end the season.

Assuming Fowler-Drysdale is out, we already know Fowler-Klingberg didn't work either, Klingberg becomes 3RD and a powerplay specialist.

I would honestly rather play White-Strand as our third pairing and swing for Mayfield to pair with Fowler and a Garikov/Graves to pair with Drysdale. While it was a limiter sample size, White-Strand showed very well, in limited ice time, they'd do fine.
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I guess it depends on where you stand with Fowler-Drysdale as a D pairing. I don't think they work well together, and they've seen very little time together last season when Drysdale was with Lindholm most of the year, he was then set up with Vaakainen to end the season.

Assuming Fowler-Drysdale is out, we already know Fowler-Klingberg didn't work either, Klingberg becomes 3RD and a powerplay specialist.

I would honestly rather play White-Strand as our third pairing and swing for Mayfield to pair with Fowler and a Garikov/Graves to pair with Drysdale. While it was a limiter sample size, White-Strand showed very well, in limited ice time, they'd do fine.


But would players like Gavrikov and Graves want to be apart of our franchise at this time? Who knows.
2 mars 2023 à 14 h 48
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But would players like Gavrikov and Graves want to be apart of our franchise at this time? Who knows.


Money talks and we've got a lot of it, Verbeek managed to sell Vatrano and Strome, should be able to convince a couple of D to sign with us.
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I think Verbeek is waiting too long. But we will see. I do not think Terry will be moved. Agree with @TZ11 though. Never panic till it’s over,
2 mars 2023 à 19 h 29
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I think Verbeek is waiting too long. But we will see. I do not think Terry will be moved. Agree with TZ11 though. Never panic till it’s over,


I’m beginning to think we’re gonna be dead quiet.
3 mars 2023 à 8 h 56
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Today is the day, fellas! What scuffling AHLer can we trade for this time!
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Today is the day, fellas! What scuffling AHLer can we trade for this time!


Time to get that 1st for Elite1C DG!
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Time to get that 1st for Elite1C DG!


"He can play anywhere that you put him in the lineup!"

-Dallas Eakins.
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3 mars 2023 à 15 h 22
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Welp.
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well boys, at least its over now and no more waiting
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Absolute waste of a season.

Very, very frustrating time to be a Ducks fan.
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Well, Klingberg return was frankly sh*t. Might not be a total waste if we can press Sustr back into service.

Not too mad about Kulikov, I like McGinn in a bottom 6 PK role, should make us nastier to play against. Just not sure what that means for one of Comtois or Leeson.
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Well, Klingberg return was frankly sh*t.

Not too mad about Kulikov, I like McGinn in a bottom 6 PK role, should make us nastier to play against. Just not sure what that means for one of Comtois or Leeson.


I talked myself down to probably a 3rd for each but I’m still disappointed we couldn’t finesse for more but oh well

I wish we could have got Boeser for Pitts 3rd plus another pick maybe and make a top 6 for the end of the year of:

Comtois Zegras Terry
Vatrano McTavisv Boeser
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I talked myself down to probably a 3rd for each but I’m still disappointed we couldn’t finesse for more but oh well

I wish we could have got Boeser for Pitts 3rd plus another pick maybe and make a top 6 for the end of the year of:

Comtois Zegras Terry
Vatrano McTavisv Boeser


What're you doing with Strone in that setup? Seems to me Vatrano is more destined for the 3rd line.
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What're you doing with Strone in that setup? Seems to me Vatrano is more destined for the 3rd line.


3C

I just think Vatrano would be a nice winger for Mason but it would be real difficult to work out what to do with all our centers this year

There’s Rico too but I thought about that thinking he would be traded
 
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