Deal from boston. Solid trade.

Too much retained for EK

I was semi surprised Bonino wasn't part of the devils deal. Thought it'd be him after new broke there was another san jose player

It's a pretty massive return, I think the retention is justified.

Without any retention you’re not getting a second round pick for Lebanc. At this point he is an overpaid third line winger. Taking that contract is doing San Jose a favor.

In what world is that a massive return. A cap dump (albeit decent PP d-man), two very unexciting prospects, and a first. For that retention? that's insanely bad

2 of Edmonton's top 5 prospects, their 1st in the deepest draft in a decade, and Tyson Barrie (who is absolutely not a cap dump)? What do you want Edmonton to give instead, McDavid?

-Probably fair value on Bonino, if you're not using your third retention slot on EK I would 100% retain on Bonino to get him down to about $1M and get a better return for him.

-Too pricey for Labanc - he's an interesting third liner at this point in his career, but he's paid like a top-6 guy. Without retention (or a bad contract going back) I can't see him getting this - keep in mind, Philly's 2nd rounder is probably in the mid-30s at this point, so this is a half step behind first round value for Labanc and his $4.75M cap hit.

-Barabanov, however, would be worth the 2nd IMO. Better production than Labanc at almost half the cost (Labanc: 10-15-25 in 51 GP, $4.75M; Barabanov: 11-26-37 in 55 GP, $2.5M AAV.) I don't think pushing for a prospect would be out of the question, here - Barabanov has been very solid at an affordable number and has another year of term.

-I don't like this value at all. EK's retention is a huge number ($17M over 4 years), and Wiesblatt is a recent 1st rounder who's just about to turn 21 and just turned pro this year. I'd argue he's more valuable than Savoie, which means you're losing value there and you're only getting a late 1st, Broberg, and Barrie for EK65. I think there needs to be a significant add from Edmonton and I don't think San Jose needs to be including a stronger prospect like Wiesblatt.

-Islanders would have little need for Tyson Barrie - he wouldn't push Ryan Pulock or Noah Dobson out of RD1/RD2 in the 5v5 depth chart, and if they wanted to pay $4.5M for a powerplay specialist defenseman, I'd rather sign Erik Gustafsson or John Klingberg this summer and keep the pick.

-Personally, I'd keep Sturm if I were the Sharks. He's cheap enough (2x$2M left), he's useful as a bottom-6/PKing center, and as much as you're tearing it down in San Jose, I'd say you'd want to keep a couple reliable veterans with term around. The 3rd in this year's draft is fine, but as long as he remains more or less the same guy, you can just as easily get that (or more) in two years when you sell him as a rental.

-Can't retain on Reimer based on your other deals - teams only have 3 retention slots available. Even beyond that, as I've said before, Reimer has a 5-team NTC with his deal and I would not be shocked if his list wasn't just "TORONTO" written down 5 times in all caps. I don't think a reunion is in the cards, from either side.

Love the detailed reply!

You mentioned retention a few times, in the description I listed the EK65 deal happening in the off-season, so retaining on him won't affect the retention limit for the rest of this season, at which point Meier will be removed from that list.

I agree with retaining on Bonino, but you can only retain on Reimer or Bonino, not both.

I agree that seems like a lot of Labanc, but I've seen a bunch of Buffalo & NYI AGMs offering it. Honestly I would be happy with a 4th.

I'm a little lower on Barabonov this year than I was last year, but he is certainly a valuable player on a friendly contract. I could see him going for a 2nd+, but I went with the 2nd just to be safe.

I'm also lower on Weisblatt than you, but could see the Sharks asking for a little more for that level of retention. What if the Sharks asked for Bourgault instead of Savoie, or even Bourgault + another middle round pick?

The Islanders might not be the right fit, but I think there is a market for Barrie somewhere for a 2nd, or maybe a decent prospect.

Reimer could go to any playoff team needing a reasonably capable & experienced 1B/backup, the Leafs might not have been the right choice either.

- Broberg is solid but I'd rather have Bouchard over him, Sharks are already very logjammed on the left side.
- And Savoie is having very poor first pro season. I'd put his value around what Coe's is. I have faith both of those guys could turn it around net year after adjusting to pro, but right now their value is quite low. Definitely not top 5 anymore
- This would be a Draft day trade so the 1st is kind of dependent on how well the Oilers do in the playoffs. It'll be late regardless. I think adding a conditional second would make sense, similar to the NJ deal.
- And Barrie is a solid player as I said, but is poor defensively and his production is heavily skewed from the powerplay where he has McDavid and Drai to help rack up points. I mean 19 y/o McDavid had Maroon get to nearly 30 goals, playing with him. Combine that with a big cap hit, yeah that's a contract they'll need to offload

d'oh, shoulda realized the retention would've lined up with Meier's coming off, my fault!

I honestly think you're where you'd want to be on an EK65 deal if you bump Savoie to Bourgault, throw in a mid-round pick, and leave Wiesblatt out. Obviously adjust the return if you're lowering the retention, but if it's Edmonton they'll need as much as possible.

Don't disagree on Barrie - the value's not bad, the fit just isn't right in NY. Same with Reimer- value is fine, but destination is toxic.

How would you feel about the trade mentioned below with dannibalcorpse?

2023 1st, Barrie, Bourgault, Broberg, and a 5th for just EK65 at the same retention?

I think the Sharks need to hold a strict limit of 3.5 mil retention MAX (and that would have to be a very good return). Especially if it's at the Draft when a team has more flexibility with the cap. I'd go for that return at 2.5-3 retained. 4.25 is just so much waisted cap. especially because Karl's true value is around 9 mil.

If he hit FA after this season I would guarantee he would get a 3 year 8-10 mil contract, but for some when it comes to a trade, people think he's only worth it at a 5.75-7.5 cap hit.

3.5 million at the absolute max...and that certainly increases the return. I'd argue he's definitely playing at his contract value. It's the health scare potential that makes true value 9ish.

If he finishes the season strong/healthy his value should go up a fair amount + more teams will be interested and able to work cap scenarios = bigger return