Modifié 25 févr. 2023 à 17 h 5
Quoting: LumberJacques
Ok... so first of all a player is simply worth what somebody is willing to pay for them. I don't know how GMs value the players you mentioned but if insiders like Friedman, Lebrun and CJ report the asking price on a player I tend to view that as close to their value (I've rarely heard them say a guy is priced at a 1st and the return ends up being less than a 2nd+). If another team shares this view then the trade happens, otherwise clearly the team that most values him is his current team. Nobody thought Ristolainen, Chiarot, Savard, Coleman, Goodrow, Hartman, Griffin Reinhart and many others were worth 1st round picks and yet it only took one GM to make it so. Our opinions don't always align with those of the people in charge. To your point Monahan and Edmundson being injured are not returning a 1st and Hoffman was never worth that. For Anderson only time will tell but I'm not opposed to keeping him.
Again maybe things do change if he goes to MTL but that still requires MTL to make a completely unnecessary gamble to get that answer. Sure Dadonov and Drouin could stick around for super cheap but that wasn't the issue, more so why either player or management would want to. As for Hoffman sure nobody probably picks him up but I wouldn't be shocked if he gets bought out. Gallagher isn't really a problem, he likely ends up LTIRetired in a year or 2.
I mean Dach is on pace for about 55 points at 22 years of age, he's doing just fine. Sure Coronato could step in and outproduce Dach but he could also just as easily not do so. I'll take the smooth-skating 6'4 guy doing it in the show already over the 5'10 guy who might some day. For my general prospect reports I usually defer to The Athletic's Scott Wheeler who wrote up his top 50 prospects 2 weeks ago. For what its worth Coronato comes in at 27, Ferrell and Beck come in at 41 and 50 respectively and Roy and Mesar gain honorable mentions as do Zary and Pelletier. For more Habs related prospects I read and listen to Hadi Kalakeche, Patrik Bexell, Marc Dumont and Marco D'Amico who provide excellent coverage of the team's prospects for various outlets.
Rational people can disagree but for me Dach is a building block who's age fits perfectly in the range they are building around and has abilities that I rate highly. His inclusion is a big turnoff for me. The main difference between the gamble on Anderson and Huberdeau is double the term and nearly double the cap. For a team targeting a competitive window in 2-4 years Anderson's contract is far less problematic IMO. I'm ok with MTL taking gambles but not on 30 year olds.
Yeah, I understood you didn’t like the idea from the get go and that’s perfectly fine. All we can do here is make our best guess, try to support or explain our reasons and hope we’re right when the future inevitably gives us the answer
Kirby at 0.50-0.65PPG and climbing + Anderson at 0.40-0.46PPG and declining vs. Coronato or Pelletier at 0.50PPG and climbing + Huberdeau at 0.70-1.44PPG and declining is how I look at it
If you already have Suzuki, will soon get PLD (no guarantees but there’s a good probability) and can have both Coronato and Ruzicka, will you really not be able to rebuild without Dach!?
You don’t have to agree or like it, that’s not how this works. Maybe I’m wrong then again maybe I’m right, it’s just hypothetical, guessing and making predictions. Nothing worth getting overly serious or upset about imo
Player and Prospect Values certainly change in time, but who is any more of an Expert than the GM’s and Scouts who Drafted these guys:
Coronato - 13th Overall (value is the same or higher now)
Zary - 24th Overall (value is the same)
Pelletier - 26th Overall (value is higher now)
Ruzicka - 109th Overall (value is much higher now)
Wolf - 214th Overall (value is WAY WAY WAY higher now)
Dach - 3rd Overall (value is a tad lower now)
Mesar - 26th Overall (value is same)
Beck - 33rd Overall (value is slightly higher now)
Kidney - 63rd Overall (value is pretty much the same)
Farrell - 124th Overall (value is much higher now)
Roy - 150th Overall (value is much higher now)