I will say this as often as I have to until the trade happens--I strongly believe that if Holtz is included, there will not be another premium asset in the trade. If I am wrong, it will mean that the Devils' development staff no longer views Holtz as having significant upside.

Good value, I believe Meier is worth three firsts

Muhk is probably worth a mid second as a prospect right now.

Hes been ok, but was a major reach when he was drafted already.

He would have to sign team-friendly extension to justify this type of return. But that is certainly possible.

Hard pass, this deal doesn't move the needle.

Broke record as 18-yo and 19-yo dman in KHL. The pick was early but has since been more than justified. Just recently he was #68 on Pronman list of u23 players

66. Brandt Clarke
67. Matt Coronato
68. Shakir Mukhamadullin
69. Carter Mazur
70. Brock Faber
71. Ivan Miroshnichenko
72. Alexander Holtz
73. Filip Bystedt

In your opinion but your opinion is **** so you can keep it for yourselft
In your opinion Meier is worth more than McDavid, so again, your opinion is wrong and not welcomed

Where did I say that? UnrealisticTrollGuy

You are the one who said the value of 3 1st round pick DOESN'T move the NEEDLE for Meier
You are homer and it's fine, every teams have one or two big homer
Just don't comment on my post, because we will always disagree

Sharks want quality over quantity. If you don't want anyone disagreeing with you opinion, why bother posting on a discussion forum?

I dont like Pronman much, including having Holtz worse than him

I dont think either of us trust that.

I add the delusionnal one in the ignore list, so I don't see the dumb comments

Now for Meier, I understand they want a Blue chip prospect, I don't see NJ giving up Nemec
Hotlz Mukhamadullin and a 2023 1st are quality pieces
Not blue chip prospect tho I agree
I do think it's possible, that's why I created this OP asking for thoughts (if it was enough for SJ)
You said no
NJ fan said no too much

Save yourself the aggravation, SJbackseatGm legitimately posted a 1st/Perfetti/McGroarty yesterday. He’s just out of his mind.

I lke Muk, and agree he should be ranked higher vs. Holtz. I proposed a Mercer/Muk package weeks ago. NJD doesn't want to give up Mercer (which I get). I'd prefer Nemec straight up vs. these Holtz centered packages. Sharks should just resign Timo if they don't receive a package that actually moves the needle.

Yes I looked at his last post and I understood right away
This is why I said he thinks Meier is worth more than McDavid lol

Yeah I did a back and forth with him a few weeks ago, he’s completely incapable of seeing what fair market value is. Hence why I posted a meme of Gru saying “we’re going to steal the moon” at one of his posts. Haven’t heard any of his dumb comments on my posts since.

I love how you are TheRealisticGuy but gave Wood a 4x4 contract as if he deserves that....

Anderson got 5.5M
Crouse got 4.3m

So power forwards gets overpaid in the NHL and I gave a contract fitting what GMs does
So it's realistic
Since when UFAs are getting contract that they deserves ?

The "you must drink from my opinion kool-aid peanut gallery is gone." Sad, lmao

Devils shouldn't and I believe they won't bring back wood. Much rather they pay tatar and/or graves

He’s been excellent and has proven people wrong time after time. Top 4 potential, big, physical, very good skater. People hate on him because he was a reach at the time, but he’s 21 logging top pair minutes in the KHL. More than a “mid second round value” IMO

I dont see anyone trading a 2023 first for him sorry. I wouldnt do it, and I doubt you would either

That’s a good point. So let me ask you this- because he doesn’t have 2023 first round value, does that mean he doesn’t have first round value at all? Because next year it could be a weak draft and someone offers a first. You’re changing the value of an asset (Muk) based off of something that varies (draft class quality)

What rankings do you trust the most?

Here are numerous (just among non-NHLers)

11. William Eklund
22. Marco Kasper
23. Brandt Clarke
24. Matthew Coronato
25. Shakir Mukhamadullin
26. Carter Mazur
27. Brock Faber
28. Ivan Miroshnichenko
29. Alexander Holtz
30. Filip Bystedt
41. Thomas Bordeleau


7. Alexander Holtz
13. William Eklund
43. Logan Stankoven
44. Hendrix Lapierre
45. Lukas Reichel
46. Nick Robertson
47. Shakir Mukhamadullin
48. Jack Rathbone
49. Scott Morrow


4. William Eklund
5. Alexander Holtz
35. Sean Farrell
36. Victor Soderstrom
37. Ville Koivunen
38. Jack Drury
39. Shakir Mukhamadullin
40. Aatu Raty
41. Justin Barron
42. Matthew Savoie
61. Arseni Gritsyuk


7. Alexander Holtz
15. William Eklund
25. Thomas Bordeleau
42. Arseni Gritsyuk
76. Carson Lambos
77. Victor Soderstrom
78. Corson Ceulemans
79. Shakir Mukhamadullin
82. Lukas Cormier
85. Isak Rosen
91. Alexander Nikishin


20. Alexander Holtz
21. William Eklund
HM. Shakir Mukhamadullim
HM. Thomas Bordeleau
HM. Filip Bystedt
HM. Seamus Casey

Im partial to Wheeler personally. His takes on guys often align with my own