Meier is also 50% Retained, forgot to add that

Boston laughs at you

Devils aren't trading Nemec. Nemec and Holtz in the same deal is an insane, unprecedented ask

LA has said they're not interested in acquiring a rental goaltender.

the bruins are not paying a 2nd and 3rd to downgrade their defense

Boston would be getting a better defenseman who is more productive point wise, and has a similar +/- despite being on a significantly worse team. They are also saving 1,750,000 which means they can sign a new player this off-season or trade for another solid player. The picks would basically be 3rd/4th round picks based on the way Boston is doing.

Holtz is currently a 4 point player who is having trouble cracking the 4th line, he still has potential but not getting a better prospect would be a huge risk for SJS. NJD has a bright future but if they don’t offer big, someone else will get Meier, who is a perfect fit for them. Even if NJD gives up Hughes or Nemec, they will still have a future #1 dman.

Did not know this, thank you. Good to know

Where is this whole close +/- thing coming from? Forbort is +14 and Benning is -9. Despite it not being a great stat, that is not "similar" on any planet. Sure Benning is a little more productive points wise, but he's played 11 more games and get a bit of PP time. Forbort's role is to block shots, play in the Briuns own zone, and play important minutes on one of the better PKs in the NHL; he does a damn good job in that role.

If the Bruins acquire Benning as a 7/8th defenseman for a mid-round pick sure, he'd be very nice depth to have. But there is zero chance they make your proposed deal

Forbort is so much better than benning. I don’t think you know who he is. Are you thinking of reilly or something? Forbort is one of the best penalty killers in the league, and a high end defensive d man. Since when is -9 and +14 similar? Are you just solely looking at the assist column and making judgments off that?

Ya, its so wildly far off. Take out the 2nd and 3rd and there’s no shot - how he got to a conditional first is beyond me.

Oh yeah sure we’ll give you the brother of our franchise player no problem!! Nemec yeah sure we’ll do that too because #2 OA picks get moved within 12 months of their draft ALLLL the time!

Listen when push comes to shove and teams make their “best offer”, nobody’s going to outbid the devils offer of 1st/Holtz/Casey or Mukh. We won’t outbid ourselves. And if that’s not enough for you to wanna make the trade, you can keep him and see how that works out for you this off-season, or trade him for a lesser package. I really don’t know what to tell you all anymore. Carolina is keeping their two best trade chips off the table. Buffalo and Vegas don’t seem much involved in this. Can’t be a bidding war if teams aren’t involved. I understand Timo is a top player I’m not negating his value. But we act like there’s six teams on this really driving up the value, and there’s just not.

Your value on Reimer is right but I doubt that we'll be acquiring a rental goalie. I'd be willing to bet the house on that if the ask was a first or second, but here, it's not beyond the realm of possibility. At least you got the value right; the first-round-pick-for-Cam-Talbot-or-Semyon-Varlamov nonsense is starting to get annoying.

Nobody else in the mix has an asset remotely as valuable as Nemec on the table, and very few have an asset as good as Holtz. Holtz not being NHL ready at 21 says very little about his potential. The Devils can very easily win Timo with neither of those players, so asking for both is ridiculous

You also have to look at the trade market for buyouts right now, NYR traded nemeth 3x2.5, to the Yotes for 2 2nds. I believe that Boston is getting a better player, younger player, and a cheaper player while also unloading some of this contract. They are also giving up less than 2 2nds, especially because their picks will most likely be at the very back end of those picks.

The sharks also don’t have to trade Meier, so unless they get a serious offer, they don’t have to trade. I just think that that would be a mistake for both teams. I believe holtz will be a good player, but sharks are also not even getting a first out of this, which is their main asking piece of this trade, which means they need to get a better prospect. Do I believe this will happen? Absolutely not. But it is also fun to play around with trades

Do I think this will happen? Absolutely not, would I love to see it as a sharks fan? Of course I would. Sharks are also not getting a first back from this which is their main asking piece. I think a scenario in which there is a bidding war on Meier would be great though. I believe from what I’ve seen that carolina, vgk, jets, etc, hell, even the blues now apparently, will offer something somewhat substantial and it would be a dumb mistake of NJD to give up on a player like this, even if it means moving a top prospect.

Move a top prospect like Holtz? Yes….Prospects like Hughes, Nemec, Savoie, Nikishin, Jarvis, Perfetti are off the table here. We’ve posted prospect rankings from the main teams involved in this. Carolina has one (Morrow) consensus prospect in the top 50 rankings they seem to willing to include in a deal. A Holtz/Casey package is a better package anything Carolina is willing to give. Buffalo is the team that has MULTIPLE top 50 prospects and can drive up the price. But we are being led to believe they aren’t very involved in this. Vegas and St.Louis have so far just checked in. Things are absolutely subjected to change, but so far this is reality. Your “bidding war” is NJ and Carolina right now and neither one of us is trying to blow the other one outta the water.

Forbort stays he's built for playoffs. MB? Yeah not so much...

You and others on this site act as if Nemec and Holtz are not each worth far more than a late first. There's this fetishization of first round picks when in reality it can often be more beneficial to go for the prospect instead.

I totally agree, I think that based on what I’ve seen, there could potentially be a bidding war for Meier and I think(as a biased sharks fan) that NJD would be a perfect fit for Meier, and that out 80+ point 40 goal scorer would get a really solid return in the offer above. I do not beeline that this would ever happen, as it says in the description, this is what I Hope the sharks would do. That being said, if there was a bidding war, I think that this offer could be somewhere across the lines of what the sharks could receive.