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Kane duh

Créé par: BDAvs
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 19 févr. 2023
Publié: 19 févr. 2023
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 31
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I’m actually shocked this is coming from an Avs poster. This is really bad for Colorado. Kane isn’t the player he used to be. You’re trading away from the Avs area of positional weakness (Center) and adding a 1st? Madness
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 32
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CHI should take that and RUN. What an overpay!!
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 33
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Quoting: turtlemountain
I’m actually shocked this is coming from an Avs poster. This is really bad for Colorado. Kane isn’t the player he used to be. You’re trading away from the Avs area of positional weakness (Center) and adding a 1st? Madness


I was being nice. Agreed it’s a bit much. But Newhook isn’t the answer.
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 35
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I was being nice. Agreed it’s a bit much. But Newhook isn’t the answer.


Even if he isn't the answer for the Avs, he's more than worth renting Kane now.
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 37
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I was being nice. Agreed it’s a bit much. But Newhook isn’t the answer.


You don't trade a young C that has less than two NHL seasons under his belt for an over-the-hill rental. This is terrible asset management.
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 38
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Even if he isn't the answer for the Avs, he's more than worth renting Kane now.


Did you check out the top 2 forward lines or just jump to an opinion on the trade?
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 46
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Did you check out the top 2 forward lines or just jump to an opinion on the trade?


considering landeskog is not a C, yeah the top 2 lines dont make any sense

As an Avs fan you should know that Landeskog never has played centre in his career.
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 52
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Did you check out the top 2 forward lines or just jump to an opinion on the trade?


Did you see what Kane has done this season or did you jump to the conclusion he's still a 1st line winger?
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Quoting: coga16
considering landeskog is not a C, yeah the top 2 lines dont make any sense

As an Avs fan you should know that Landeskog never has played centre in his career.


Oh shoot you’re right. After sweetening the trade for the Avs I forgot to finalize the lineup. 🤩
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 53
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considering landeskog is not a C, yeah the top 2 lines dont make any sense

As an Avs fan you should know that Landeskog never has played centre in his career.


I’d argue that Landeskog functionally plays center a lot of the time based on his defensive role and how many face offs he takes.

Nevertheless, this is bad. Even if Newhook never develops beyond what he is today: Newhook and a 1st for Kane is just bad for who Kane is at this point of his career.

He was fun to watch in his prime, but those days are long gone unfortunately.
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 54
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Oh shoot you’re right. After sweetening the trade for the Avs I forgot to finalize the lineup. 🤩


and mikko is not a Center either, once agin as an Avs fan you should know better than this
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 56
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I’d argue that Landeskog functionally plays center a lot of the time based on his defensive role and how many face offs he takes.

Nevertheless, this is bad. Even if Newhook never develops beyond what he is today: Newhook and a 1st for Kane is just bad for who Kane is at this point of his career.

He was fun to watch in his prime, but those days are long gone unfortunately.


he never plays up the middle of the ice, face-offs are not what being a Center is about, He would have to change how he plays his game to actually play C, its not as simple as hes good defensively and takes draws so lets shift him to the middle. I dont doubt that Landy could learn to play Centre but he has never in his career, so why force it now
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 57
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and mikko is not a Center either, once agin as an Avs fan you should know better than this


Landeskog and Rantanen play center quite often. They make $16 mil combined and should be able to figure it out. If not we’re in trouble.
19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 57
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Did you see what Kane has done this season or did you jump to the conclusion he's still a 1st line winger?


Yeah because a NHL top player last season goes to average this season just months later all because of that mighty birthday passed! LOL Ever think there is more to the story?
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 58
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Landeskog and Rantanen play center quite often. They make $16 mil combined and should be able to figure it out. If not we’re in trouble.


landeskog has never played centre...not one game in his career.
Rantanen had to shift over to C for 3-4 games bc of Kadri injury

once again as an avs fan you should know this.
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19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 0
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landeskog has never played centre...not one game in his career.
Rantanen had to shift over to C for 3-4 games bc of Kadri injury

once again as an avs fan you should know this.


Well, Kadri no longer exists. You like to offer problems but no solutions.
19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 3
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Well, Kadri no longer exists. You like to offer problems but no solutions.


Well trading for wingers and forcing players to play a position that is not their natural role is not a solution either

I have said Many times in the past that Adam Henrique is the ideal trade piece for the avs, he adds a nice short term solution to the 2c spot, allows newhook to grow into it more, and Henrique does what the avs do well, hes smart, a good skater, great defensively

your solution doesnt really fit with bendar, Kane as offensively gifted he is, is a awful defensibly, like one of the worst in the leagues for a top line player. Hes not gong to change how he plays on the avs, and that wont work well under Bednar
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Well trading for wingers and forcing players to play a position that is not their natural role is not a solution either

I have said Many times in the past that Adam Henrique is the ideal trade piece for the avs, he adds a nice short term solution to the 2c spot, allows newhook to grow into it more, and Henrique does what the avs do well, hes smart, a good skater, great defensively

your solution doesnt really fit with bendar, Kane as offensively gifted he is, is a awful defensibly, like one of the worst in the leagues for a top line player. Hes not gong to change how he plays on the avs, and that wont work well under Bednar


I like that idea as well. What’s the cost?
19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 9
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Targeting Kane for the Avs is beyond awful. Doesn't fit a team need and hasn't been producing, plus will cost waaay more than the Avs can afford to give up. Give your head a shake lol. If the Avs have to overpay at all it should be targeting someone like Henrique/Jenner/Bennett, who can insulate Newhook for 1-3 years whilst he learns the 2C job, and then either be moved, let go or dropped down to 3C.
19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 11
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I like that idea as well. What’s the cost?


having some nice disuccions with Ducks fans on the site, a 1st for him 50% retained. Which would be nice pick up bc of the additional term and you get a transitional 2C over the next season and a half
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he never plays up the middle of the ice, face-offs are not what being a Center is about, He would have to change how he plays his game to actually play C, its not as simple as hes good defensively and takes draws so lets shift him to the middle. I dont doubt that Landy could learn to play Centre but he has never in his career, so why force it now


Playing center largely about what your role is in each zone. For periods of MacKinnon’s career, Landeskog was almost always F3 in the defensive zone while MacKinnon had easier defensive responsibilities more like a winger. Once they move to the offensive zone, MacKinnon takes over as a more traditional C.

It’s not ideal and it’d be an awkward fit, but stranger things have been posted on this godforsaken website.
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19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 15
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Playing center largely about what your role is in each zone. For periods of MacKinnon’s career, Landeskog was almost always F3 in the defensive zone while MacKinnon had easier defensive responsibilities more like a winger. Once they move to the offensive zone, MacKinnon takes over as a more traditional C.

It’s not ideal and it’d be an awkward fit, but stranger things have been posted on this godforsaken website.


but if hes not playing on Macks Line, hes not goign to get that transitional fluid hybrid role at C, it will be more straight line C which I think isnt that easy to shift to so late in his career. He really will be playing a traditional C position with his responsibilities in all zones. I think its risky
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19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 17
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having some nice disuccions with Ducks fans on the site, a 1st for him 50% retained. Which would be nice pick up bc of the additional term and you get a transitional 2C over the next season and a half


It’d be cool if we could do Newhook for their 2024 1st.
19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 18
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but if hes not playing on Macks Line, hes not goign to get that transitional fluid hybrid role at C, it will be more straight line C which I think isnt that easy to shift to so late in his career. He really will be playing a traditional C position with his responsibilities in all zones. I think its risky


Yeah I guess my point is that in a thread where the Avs are trading Newhook+1st for Patrick Kane, Landeskog playing C is the least crazy thing to worry about lol.
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19 févr. 2023 à 17 h 19
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Yeah I guess my point is that in a thread where the Avs are trading Newhook+1st for Patrick Kane, Landeskog playing C is the least crazy thing to worry about lol.


thats fair,
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