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Optimistic Sellers

Créé par: PanarinBread72
Équipe: 2022-23 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 18 févr. 2023
Publié: 18 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This is definitely an optimistic look at a selling team, but I don't think it's too unreasonable to happen. I don't expect all of these deals to happen, moreover, I doubt the Hawks team will look this awful after the deadline. Obviously depends on Kane and Toews wanting out.
Transactions
1.
CHI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
1st round pick is lottery protected. Obviously, the return depends on whether Holl blocks a trade to Chicago. Kerfoot could be added to deal in order to make Toronto cap compliant.
TOR
  1. Lafferty, Sam
  2. McCabe, Jake (2 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
While the cost is high, the Leafs get two good and affordable depth pieces with term.
2.
CHI
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Lottery protected pick. 4th round pick goes to 3rd team involved, who retains 25% of Kane's contract.
EDM
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
The other team involved in this deal is unimportant, this is just the type of return that is possible for Kane.
3.
CHI
  1. Helm, Darren
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Pick is lottery protected
COL
  1. Toews, Jonathan (5 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
EDM 4th gets moved to 3rd team for salary retention, hawks get 5th from COL to compensate them. Most seem to expect a smaller return for Toews, but I personally find it unlikely that Chicago moves him for less than a first round pick, and a healthy Colorado team should make a deep playoff run, making this a late pick.
4.
CHI
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Domi, Max
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Not much more to be said. Domi is having a good year, and should probably get a 2nd rounder plus more from a contender.
5.
CHI
  1. Smith, Craig
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
BOS
    Hawks likely add a player like Smith in a cap dump to make the team look less embarrassing.
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2282 500 000 $68 585 546 $237 500 $1 015 000 $13 914 454 $
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    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
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    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, C, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    800 000 $800 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 2
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    1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
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    3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
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    758 333 $758 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
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    1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    800 000 $800 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 2
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    AG, C, AD
    RFA - 1
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    950 000 $950 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
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    RFA - 2
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    750 000 $750 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
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    UFA - 8
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    3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
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    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
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    4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
    DD
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    UFA - 4
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    883 750 $883 750 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
    G
    RFA - 2
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    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    DD
    RFA - 1
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    950 000 $950 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    859 167 $859 167 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
    975 000 $975 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
    900 000 $900 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    750 000 $750 000 $
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    18 févr. 2023 à 23 h 26
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    Why is BOS dumping a pending UFA?
    Keep pick and keep Smitty for playoffs, then let him be a UFA July 1...
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    18 févr. 2023 à 23 h 32
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    poor Jack Johnson
    18 févr. 2023 à 23 h 51
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    Quoting: JackForHart
    poor Jack Johnson


    Didn't he just get a cup ring?
    dude is an Avalanche legend!

    or did you mean poor because of all the money his dad screwed him out of?
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    19 févr. 2023 à 0 h 43
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    Toews has 2 more pts in 4 more games than Erod, 4 less pts in 7 less games than Compher and he is a shell of himself defensively. Throw in COL isn’t trading their 23 1st for a rental and that’s a pretty easy no.
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    19 févr. 2023 à 0 h 56
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    Leafs don't need Lafferty. Make it just a straight 1st for McCabe at 50% retained and I'd take that deal and ship off Holl separately for assets or keep Holl and ship off Benn if we don't make any moves up from since we have enough space to take a 1.25M cap increase
    19 févr. 2023 à 0 h 58
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    Quoting: fangm
    Leafs don't need Lafferty. Make it just a straight 1st for McCabe at 50% retained and I'd take that deal and ship off Holl separately for assets or keep Holl and ship off Benn if we don't make any moves up from since we have enough space to take a 1.25M cap increase


    McCabe isn't good enough to warrant that price. He's not great defensively, is less physical than Sandin and he's not really big either. He's just not at all what TO needs.
    19 févr. 2023 à 1 h 12
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    Quoting: RipNasty
    McCabe isn't good enough to warrant that price. He's not great defensively, is less physical than Sandin and he's not really big either. He's just not at all what TO needs.


    https://twitter.com/fvc022/status/1618029031802433536?t=jMV_VfbyxR3TytvvAuKRwA&s=19

    I could be wrong but most analytics like above that I've seen have him as one of the top defensive D in the league.
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    19 févr. 2023 à 1 h 27
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    No chance Kane gets two 1sts
    19 févr. 2023 à 3 h 19
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    You could have at least thrown JJ into that Colorado deal. Even then it should still be a hefty helping of Nope!
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    19 févr. 2023 à 10 h 15
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    There's "optimistic" then there's "delusional". This is more of the latter.
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    19 févr. 2023 à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
    No chance Kane gets two 1sts


    I think Kane sucks this year, but I still think there's a good chance that Chicago gets a haul for him from a GM like Holland who's stuck in the past. Plus, I think that the chance of Kane and McDavid/Drai on a line would be hard to pass on if they don't get Karlsson.
    19 févr. 2023 à 12 h 59
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Toews has 2 more pts in 4 more games than Erod, 4 less pts in 7 less games than Compher and he is a shell of himself defensively. Throw in COL isn’t trading their 23 1st for a rental and that’s a pretty easy no.


    Using points is not a fair comparison, considering that Toews has played for a far worse team. Toews has had a lot of reported interest from contenders that could drive his price up, and there have been several far worse rentals dealt for first rounders in recent years. While not the player he used to be, Toews is still a valuable player that any contender would be thrilled to have as a middle six center.
    19 févr. 2023 à 13 h 13
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    Quoting: fangm
    Leafs don't need Lafferty. Make it just a straight 1st for McCabe at 50% retained and I'd take that deal and ship off Holl separately for assets or keep Holl and ship off Benn if we don't make any moves up from since we have enough space to take a 1.25M cap increase


    Yeah, I probably should've looked more at Toronto's forward depth. Lafferty probably won't help too much this season, but I still think it's possible that Toronto trades for him knowing that he has another year left at a cheap AAV. Maybe Chicago could package him with Kane or Toews to get a better return elsewhere.
    19 févr. 2023 à 13 h 15
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    Why is BOS dumping a pending UFA?
    Keep pick and keep Smitty for playoffs, then let him be a UFA July 1...


    Doesn't have to be Boston dumping Smith. I was just giving an example of a trade that Chicago could make to take advantage of their cap space.
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    19 févr. 2023 à 13 h 21
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    Quoting: PanarinBread72
    I think Kane sucks this year, but I still think there's a good chance that Chicago gets a haul for him from a GM like Holland who's stuck in the past. Plus, I think that the chance of Kane and McDavid/Drai on a line would be hard to pass on if they don't get Karlsson.


    The only thing is Holland is very against trading high picks for rentals, adding in Bourgault (who he took a MASSIVE risk trading down from Wallstedt on in 2021) is probably a non-starter for him... but who knows.

    Edmonton is more likely in on Toews at 50% who they could acquire for a 2nd plus a mid-bottom 6 guy (foegele, Pulji, etc...) and then send a 4th for another 50% retention on him.
    19 févr. 2023 à 13 h 37
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    Quoting: PanarinBread72
    Doesn't have to be Boston dumping Smith. I was just giving an example of a trade that Chicago could make to take advantage of their cap space.


    Okay, but...
    You still need to make an offer back to the "club" of choice..."air" is not a tradeable NHL commodity (Bettman is likely looking into it however for a new revenue stream)!
    19 févr. 2023 à 14 h 25
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    Quoting: PanarinBread72
    Using points is not a fair comparison, considering that Toews has played for a far worse team. Toews has had a lot of reported interest from contenders that could drive his price up, and there have been several far worse rentals dealt for first rounders in recent years. While not the player he used to be, Toews is still a valuable player that any contender would be thrilled to have as a middle six center.


    Not a team that’s only pick in the 23 draft is a first. COL for practical reasons can’t trade their 23 1st because then they would be completely passing on 2 drafts, throw in a depleted prospect pool and if they are trading that first they need to get more than 25 games and a playoff run. COL’s roster is getting expensive and will get more expensive next year. I’m not saying Toews wouldn’t help but imo COL is looking guys that cost less.
     
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