Montembeault has had the performance to warrant trade interest. Jake Allen hasn't and has an awful contract going forward. The Leafs could find a better backup elsewhere for this price and not have the future liability to go with it.

You are trying to hide bad deals with trading 2nd round picks back but those Monahan and Allen deals are still awful for the teams. Dadonov doesn't have any value either, Drouin probably doesn't either. Basically you are trying to offload your trash and expecting decent returns for some of it. Not going to happen.

If Dadonov has no value then either does Engvall. If Drouin has no value then either does Kerfoot. If Allen has no value then either does Talbot. If Monahan and a 2nd aren't worth a late 1st then Toews is absolutely worthless. Fact is you are a biased Leafs fan that is obviously just trolling, these trades are quite reasonable.

I don't think the Leafs touch their 1st rounder for a goalie. Samsonov been great, and Woll is a good 3rd goalie until Murray is back (which is expected to be next week).

Regardless, if Murray let's say has a set-back, then I think the Leafs would use the Sens 3rd to find something.

Where have you seen people trade Engvall or Kerfoot for value? They are cap dumps in 95% of the trades on here. Talbot is an expiring goalie, Allen is going into a horrible contract with term on it(see: Negative value contract). Trying to call them comparables is laughable. Monahan doesn't have any of the prestige Toews has. None of the leadership, past accolades, playoff performance, etc. Toews also doesn't have the giant injury cloud hanging over his head. Those 2 aren't comparable in any manner. The only bias here is for your Habs.

Well, didn't have to look very far. Here is a good example of a Kerfoot + 2nd + 3rd trade you made for Schenn and Garland (1 mil retained). Since Schenn will return a 2nd or 3rd and Garland likely 2nd's you seem to be valuing Kerfoot more than Garland since you are asking for retention as well. Also just look through almost every Leaf's ACGM where Kerfoot or Engvall is traded they are almost always getting back a 2nd or 3rd for either of them.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/675887

I think that way to much for Monahan. You already got a 1st for take his contract because he was Injured proved. now he was how often Injured for you 4-5 times for more the a few days? so you overvalue him. you don't get a 1st for him @ the TDL. If you get a 3rd with 50% retention you could be happy

to be fair, most non-Leafs folks have been saying this when Toronto ACGMs include Engvall or Kerfoot with positive returns

You didn't think to read the details of that trade from the Athletic, its clearly stated source, did you? He was an expiring cap dump to make the salary work. He wasn't valued at anything in the trade.

Fully agree. I would be shocked if there were any offers that include a 1st for Monahan or Allen, even if there was a pick coming back.

If Johnson goes on LTIR for Colorado, I could see them taking a free shot on Monahan with that new found cap space, but it would be for like Ranta and a conditional mid-round pick. And if Montreal says no, then so be it. They have other options they'll move to.

Hey. I know you probably don't believe this, but as of about 1 month ago I would have agreed on Dadonov & Drouin. But the past month they have been really good and most of the teams I've suggested 4th & 5th rounders to for those guys at 50% retention gave agreed those are deals they would consider.

I appreciate your feedback on Allen. If the deal is not interesting for you, no worries. I was simply speculating that moving back 5-15 spots in this draft is not that big a deal for a contender. I know Monty has been good, but he's a lot more unproven then Allen which is why I think most teams would be scared to trade for him.

Not trying to troll Leafs fans or anything like that. I genuinely want a Canadian team, ANY Canadian team, to win the cup. I like the Leafs and I think Allen has been Amazing in the meetings between the Leafs and Habs this year and has stepped up in all the games where the Habs are severe underdogs.

Fair enough. Thanks for the discussion in any case!

To be fair: I have suggested the Avs fall back 24-40 spots in a weak draft because I gave them back their 2nd. Is it a lot for Monahan... Absolutely! Am I doing it situationally, yes because Toews is injured, Horvat was traded, it leaves RoR as a plan A and now Monahan as a plan B.

I FULLY admit this is the most unlikely trade situation.

Monahan isn't even a plan B. There are plenty of other guys who they'd look at before Monahan imo, starting with Henrique. I would be furious if the Avs even considered giving up a 1st for SM.

Henrique has another year on his deal though, which i'm sure will factor in for several teams whereas Monahan is a straight rental and will have 50% of salary retained without question. That deal essentially is trading away the 26th-32th pick in the draft for the 58th-64th to get 2-3 months of monahan, if he is healthy. I dont disagree that there may be other options out there that you like more but its not that crazy of a proposal.

Henrique is only one option. Much as I dislike the idea of getting Toews he could be back from IR pretty quick as it's listed as only illness. ROR as you mentioned is a possibility. Whilst CBJ fans don't like the idea Jenner still could be. Hayes could be from Philly. There's no reason to think that the Avs will only look at 1 and done rentals. It's not like Monahan should really be plan B for anyone, so yes as it stands it's pretty crazy. MTL fans should really just be happy they got a first to acquire him!

You clearly thought he was worth something otherwise your trade would have included another 2nd and prospect s8nce the value of Schenn and Garland would be about 3 2nds and a 3rd plus a prospect for the retention.

You want to argue with the authors of that trade despite them clearly stating their intentions? Good for you I guess? You are wrong ... because they say you are wrong? Go figure, they (including the Vancouver beat writer) don't value Schenn and Garland as highly as you do. The fact you value the players differently doesn't have anything to do with whether they found Kerfoot to have value or not.