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Créé par: TheTradeIs1For1
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 9 févr. 2023
Publié: 11 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Healthy Lineup:

Bunting Matthews Nylander
Jarnkrok Tavares Marner
Garland Laughton Tippett
Holmberg Kampf Engvall

Rielly Brodie
Giordano Liljegren
Sandin Schenn

Samsonov
Murray
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3890 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Laughton, Scott
  2. Tippett, Owen
Détails additionnels:
Similar to Hagel Trade
PHI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
1st Round Conditions: Top 10 Protected
2.
TOR
  1. Garland, Conor (2 475 000 $ retained)
  2. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 16
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Garland is a smaller player…. Leaf’s don’t need him. Also schenn is anti-keefe, he won’t fit in are system
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 18
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Garland is a smaller player…. Leaf’s don’t need him. Also schenn is anti-keefe, he won’t fit in are system


Garland is small but goes to the dirty areas to score around the net. Just because a player isn't 6'2" doesn't mean they can't be a pest around the net.
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 21
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Garland is small but goes to the dirty areas to score around the net. Just because a player isn't 6'2" doesn't mean they can't be a pest around the net.


I get what you’re saying but I don’t think he’s that good. Leafs pass as well because there not trading thete first for a crap defencemen and a middle 6 small forward
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 27
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You can kind of break down this trade into two trades between the Canucks and Leafs.
Basically you are trying to say Schenn for Holl and then Garland at half price for a first round pick. Let me just outline why this is so ridiculous.

There is no reason the Canucks would trade Schenn for Holl. They are essentially the same player except wait Schenn is cheaper, doesn't have term, more physical and has more points. So why would the Canucks bring back Holl in any trade for Schenn. If they wanted a 3rd pairing dman for cheap they'd just resign Schenn. The Canucks also have cornered the market on bottom pairing dmen they don't need another one in Holl.

Then thinking you are going to convince a team to take on half a players salary for 3 more years to only get a late first round is insane. "A" for effort though.
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 30
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Garland is small but goes to the dirty areas to score around the net. Just because a player isn't 6'2" doesn't mean they can't be a pest around the net.


He doesn't go to the net anymore than Kerfoot does. And is worse defensively
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 30
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I get what you’re saying but I don’t think he’s that good. Leafs pass as well because there not trading thete first for a crap defencemen and a middle 6 small forward


Garland has 128 even strength points over his last 245 games. That's 0.52 even strength points per game averaging about 15 minutes per night. That kind of production for the leafs would be HUGE at less than $2.5 mil for the next 4 years given any forward added will only get 2nd line PP time at best. And to obtain that for a 2025 1st round pick which is like 5-8 years from contributing to the leafs roster (if at all) is a no brainer imo.
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 31
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Schenn is vastly over rated, Holl > Schenn.
I get that no team would want to retain on Gatland for 3+ years but at his current cap hit, he is essentially unmovable. Leafs move on hopefully 🤞.
Ridiculous, scandalous, preposterous overpay for Laughton & Tippet - wow. Truly remarkable how bad that trade is for Leafs.
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 32
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You can kind of break down this trade into two trades between the Canucks and Leafs.
Basically you are trying to say Schenn for Holl and then Garland at half price for a first round pick. Let me just outline why this is so ridiculous.

There is no reason the Canucks would trade Schenn for Holl. They are essentially the same player except wait Schenn is cheaper, doesn't have term, more physical and has more points. So why would the Canucks bring back Holl in any trade for Schenn. If they wanted a 3rd pairing dman for cheap they'd just resign Schenn. The Canucks also have cornered the market on bottom pairing dmen they don't need another one in Holl.

Then thinking you are going to convince a team to take on half a players salary for 3 more years to only get a late first round is insane. "A" for effort though.


Schenn's many 2nd assists pad his stats and he plays less minutes, and just is so so so slow.
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 32
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This should be titled, massive overpay to troll leaf fans
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 40
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Garland has 128 even strength points over his last 245 games. That's 0.52 even strength points per game averaging about 15 minutes per night. That kind of production for the leafs would be HUGE at less than $2.5 mil for the next 4 years given any forward added will only get 2nd line PP time at best. And to obtain that for a 2025 1st round pick which is like 5-8 years from contributing to the leafs roster (if at all) is a no brainer imo.


Imo I pass
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 50
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Garland has 128 even strength points over his last 245 games. That's 0.52 even strength points per game averaging about 15 minutes per night. That kind of production for the leafs would be HUGE at less than $2.5 mil for the next 4 years given any forward added will only get 2nd line PP time at best. And to obtain that for a 2025 1st round pick which is like 5-8 years from contributing to the leafs roster (if at all) is a no brainer imo.


You have to look at how he gets those points though, he doesn't do it off the cycle much. He scores his points off rushes and generally spends more time in his own zone than the offensive zone. His lack of defensive awareness won't work in TO. Garland is a better offensive but worse defensive version of Kerfoot but can't play centre. Garland is without a doubt overrated.
11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 51
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In what world is Laughton and Tippet worth anything remotely close to this price? This could be the worst trade I have seen, beyond Canucks fans thinking Schenn will get a 1st +.
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11 févr. 2023 à 11 h 59
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In what world is Laughton and Tippet worth anything remotely close to this price? This could be the worst trade I have seen, beyond Canucks fans thinking Schenn will get a 1st +.


Yeah it is a overpay, the type of deal the Flyers would likely need to consider moving Laughton considering Torts loves him and the fact Tippet is on pace for a 20 goal, 50+ point season showing flashes of the player the Panthers picked at #10
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11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 1
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Canucks pass easily
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 2
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Yeah it is a overpay, the type of deal the Flyers would likely need to consider moving Laughton considering Torts loves him and the fact Tippet is on pace for a 20 goal, 50+ point season showing flashes of the player the Panthers picked at #10


Doesn't matter, both are bottom 6 players in TO and they won't get the offensive opportunities they get on a near last place team
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 7
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Doesn't matter, both are bottom 6 players in TO and they won't get the offensive opportunities they get on a near last place team


I agree with you completely. Just saying Flyers would need this type of overpay to consider it right now. I wish Flyers were near last place team, that'd be the dream.
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11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 19
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You have to look at how he gets those points though, he doesn't do it off the cycle much. He scores his points off rushes and generally spends more time in his own zone than the offensive zone. His lack of defensive awareness won't work in TO. Garland is a better offensive but worse defensive version of Kerfoot but can't play centre. Garland is without a doubt overrated.


You clearly haven't watched Garland play. Here are all of Garland's goals from last season: https://youtu.be/hC56sSMxvNU

14 of them were in the cycle, and the other 5 were breakaways or 2-on-1s, rush goals.

Most of his points this season (21 of 27) have come 5v5 because Vancouver's PP1 is so stacked already, Garland gets limited PP2 time. He'd be a bigger scoring threat if he was given Top-6 minutes, but given the Canucks stacked forward group, he's been 3rd line most of this season.

As for Garland being bad defensively or having a lack of awareness, that is absolutely not true. Garland is the 2nd best defensive forward at 5v5 on the team next to Pettersson, better than Mikheyev and Horvat pre-trade. His advanced stats are all glowing on a Canucks team that boasts one of the worst advanced stats groups of the past decade.

Canucks are not going to have to retain on Garland and I'd much rather that they keep him since Horvat is already gone and Boeser is the more likely candidate to be traded.
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11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 26
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I agree with you completely. Just saying Flyers would need this type of overpay to consider it right now. I wish Flyers were near last place team, that'd be the dream.


Lol, keep your assets then. This isn't just an overpay, it's legit ridiculous. This is willfully cutting off your arm to spite your torso
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 33
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You clearly haven't watched Garland play. Here are all of Garland's goals from last season: https://youtu.be/hC56sSMxvNU

14 of them were in the cycle, and the other 5 were breakaways or 2-on-1s, rush goals.

Most of his points this season (21 of 27) have come 5v5 because Vancouver's PP1 is so stacked already, Garland gets limited PP2 time. He'd be a bigger scoring threat if he was given Top-6 minutes, but given the Canucks stacked forward group, he's been 3rd line most of this season.

As for Garland being bad defensively or having a lack of awareness, that is absolutely not true. Garland is the 2nd best defensive forward at 5v5 on the team next to Pettersson, better than Mikheyev and Horvat pre-trade. His advanced stats are all glowing on a Canucks team that boasts one of the worst advanced stats groups of the past decade.

Canucks are not going to have to retain on Garland and I'd much rather that they keep him since Horvat is already gone and Boeser is the more likely candidate to be traded.


More than half of those goals came either off a rush chance or a play right after a turnover lead to a rush chance while the team hadn't settled into their defensive system yet. He's a decent transition offensive player but not great defensively and he isn't much of a cycle guy. He's not a good fit in TO and you just don't understand plays if you think unless it's a break away it's not a rush chance.
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 46
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More than half of those goals came either off a rush chance or a play right after a turnover lead to a rush chance while the team hadn't settled into their defensive system yet. He's a decent transition offensive player but not great defensively and he isn't much of a cycle guy. He's not a good fit in TO and you just don't understand plays if you think unless it's a break away it's not a rush chance.


Look at who is causing the majority of the turnovers.

You don't know what a rush is if you think an offensive turnover in the corner results in a rush scoring chance. Dump and chase, recovery, cycle, goal. There are few rush goals that Garland had last season.

Let me break it down for you: a rush scoring chance is when you go up the ice with the puck and attack the net. It is skate, pass once maybe twice, shoot. If the puck comes to a stop along the boards without the carrier getting a shot off (as many of the opportunities do in the highlights video), then the rush ends. If the puck is then passed around, that's a cycle. Just because the play starts with the puck being moved up the ice doesn't mean it's still a rush scoring chance. No one who understands hockey would call a goal scored off of a dump and chase a rush goal.

You can think Garland is not a good fit for the Leafs, but don't speak about the strengths/weaknesses of a player you haven't seen play outside of the two games he's had against your team.
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 51
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Look at who is causing the majority of the turnovers.

You don't know what a rush is if you think an offensive turnover in the corner results in a rush scoring chance. Dump and chase, recovery, cycle, goal. There are few rush goals that Garland had last season.

Let me break it down for you: a rush scoring chance is when you go up the ice with the puck and attack the net. It is skate, pass once maybe twice, shoot. If the puck comes to a stop along the boards without the carrier getting a shot off (as many of the opportunities do in the highlights video), then the rush ends. If the puck is then passed around, that's a cycle. Just because the play starts with the puck being moved up the ice doesn't mean it's still a rush scoring chance. No one who understands hockey would call a goal scored off of a dump and chase a rush goal.

You can think Garland is not a good fit for the Leafs, but don't speak about the strengths/weaknesses of a player you haven't seen play outside of the two games he's had against your team.


Hardly any of those goals were from a dump and chase. Neutral zone turnovers that lead to transition offence. That's his bread and butter, what your little clip doesn't show though is how often those aggressive plays in the neutral zone or his own blueline end up going the other way and end in either a goal against or a prime chance against. Vancouver gives up more rush chances than pretty much anyone over the past 4 seasons and Garland is as bad at that as anyone else on the roster.

If you love him so much, keep him. He's not worth his contract or the assets needed to get him at a cost that makes him valuable. He's just not all that special. A decent middle 6 player if you are desperate for offence. The leafs are not desperate for offence. They need to be sound defensively and control the play. Garland doesn't help any of that. He's just a water bug out there with limited ability. He's fine but not worth 5 million or a 1st plus line you guys want for him at around 3 million.
11 févr. 2023 à 12 h 59
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Hardly any of those goals were from a dump and chase. Neutral zone turnovers that lead to transition offence. That's his bread and butter, what your little clip doesn't show though is how often those aggressive plays in the neutral zone or his own blueline end up going the other way and end in either a goal against or a prime chance against. Vancouver gives up more rush chances than pretty much anyone over the past 4 seasons and Garland is as bad at that as anyone else on the roster.

If you love him so much, keep him. He's not worth his contract or the assets needed to get him at a cost that makes him valuable. He's just not all that special. A decent middle 6 player if you are desperate for offence. The leafs are not desperate for offence. They need to be sound defensively and control the play. Garland doesn't help any of that. He's just a water bug out there with limited ability. He's fine but not worth 5 million or a 1st plus line you guys want for him at around 3 million.


Lmao, you're just making stuff up now, Garland is one of the Canucks best defensive forwards, the times his mistakes result in a scoring chance against are few and far between. I think you're confusing him with Boeser or Miller.

The 'decent mid-six winger' would be the 5th best-scoring forward and 6th best scorer on the Leafs. Better career advanced stats than more than half the Leafs' roster and I already said I would prefer the Canucks keep him, you're just demonstrating how much you don't pay attention.
11 févr. 2023 à 13 h 5
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Lmao, you're just making stuff up now, Garland is one of the Canucks best defensive forwards, the times his mistakes result in a scoring chance against are few and far between. I think you're confusing him with Boeser or Miller.

The 'decent mid-six winger' would be the 5th best-scoring forward and 6th best scorer on the Leafs. Better career advanced stats than more than half the Leafs' roster and I already said I would prefer the Canucks keep him, you're just demonstrating how much you don't pay attention.


The Canucks have allowed more goals against than everyone but Anaheim. You just don't have anyone that plays sound defence these days. Mikheyev is alright and Petterson is just so good that even when he's not the best defensively he makes up for it by being better than most other players on the ice.

This is the same song and dance from you guys though. The Canucks are awful defensively and yet your defence are all decent, all your forwards are decent and Demko is a top 5 goalie. And yet, one of the worst defensive teams in the league for years now. Why is that if all the players are so good? Garland isn't part of the solution in Vancouver, so why is he so valuable everyone else? He isn't
11 févr. 2023 à 13 h 17
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The Canucks have allowed more goals against than everyone but Anaheim. You just don't have anyone that plays sound defence these days. Mikheyev is alright and Petterson is just so good that even when he's not the best defensively he makes up for it by being better than most other players on the ice.

This is the same song and dance from you guys though. The Canucks are awful defensively and yet your defence are all decent, all your forwards are decent and Demko is a top 5 goalie. And yet, one of the worst defensive teams in the league for years now. Why is that if all the players are so good? Garland isn't part of the solution in Vancouver, so why is he so valuable everyone else? He isn't


Garland has the 3rd fewest GA/60 of any Canuck who has played 30 games or more this season. He's sound defensively. Again, Miller and Boeser are the forwards who aren't defensively sound. Garland is better than Mikheyev at 5v5 defense.

I don't know who has said that our defensemen are all decent? Hughes, Myers, and Schenn are our best defensemen. Obviously, Hughes is a bonafide #1. Myers is forced to play above his skill level and be a top pairing guy, he'd be better suited in a Top-4 role on a team where he can use his mobility. As it stands now, Hughes and OEL are better at that than Myers is. Bear and Schenn are #5s who rotate in the Top-4 role and the Canucks would love to keep Schenn, but they also want to capitalize on his cap hit and trade value. OEL is not decent, Dermott is not decent, and the rest of the Canucks defense is leading our tank efforts. Myers and Schenn are who the Canucks are looking to trade, they're the ones who have value.

The Canucks forward group is by far one of the most talented offensive corps in the league, with excellent depth and scoring potential, hence why the Canucks are 8th in the league in GF/GP. Most fans would tell you the forwards are not the issue on this team.

Demko has been injured almost the entirety of the season, he played hurt to start and then was put on LTIR. The Canucks have been relying on career AHLers Martin and Delia in net this season.
11 févr. 2023 à 13 h 30
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Quoting: westleysnipez
Garland has the 3rd fewest GA/60 of any Canuck who has played 30 games or more this season. He's sound defensively. Again, Miller and Boeser are the forwards who aren't defensively sound. Garland is better than Mikheyev at 5v5 defense.

I don't know who has said that our defensemen are all decent? Hughes, Myers, and Schenn are our best defensemen. Obviously, Hughes is a bonafide #1. Myers is forced to play above his skill level and be a top pairing guy, he'd be better suited in a Top-4 role on a team where he can use his mobility. As it stands now, Hughes and OEL are better at that than Myers is. Bear and Schenn are #5s who rotate in the Top-4 role and the Canucks would love to keep Schenn, but they also want to capitalize on his cap hit and trade value. OEL is not decent, Dermott is not decent, and the rest of the Canucks defense is leading our tank efforts. Myers and Schenn are who the Canucks are looking to trade, they're the ones who have value.

The Canucks forward group is by far one of the most talented offensive corps in the league, with excellent depth and scoring potential, hence why the Canucks are 8th in the league in GF/GP. Most fans would tell you the forwards are not the issue on this team.

Demko has been injured almost the entirety of the season, he played hurt to start and then was put on LTIR. The Canucks have been relying on career AHLers Martin and Delia in net this season.


Garland has a xG% of 48% this season. He creates less than he gives up. Petterson and Kuzmenko are the only forwards above 50%. The numbers are clear and the eye test backs it up. He even has a 55% offensive zone starts this season and still is negative pretty much across the board. Compare that to a guy like Engvall who has some of the heaviest Dzone starts in the entire game and still has better underlying numbers. Sure his teammates have a lot to do with it as well as the system but the results disagree with everything you are saying. If he was so good defensively, he wouldn't get predominantly offensive zone starts, he would be a good penality killer, and he wouldn't contribute to the heavy amount of rush chances against the Canucks give up. Argue it all you want but all the insiders agree, Garland isn't a 5 million dollar player, he isn't very good defensively and he's not good enough offensively to wash his deficiencies.
 
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