Way too much to be giving up for a starting goalie who isn't top 2/3, even if he's 4-10.

Tampa's goaltending will still be better and Boston's defense will likely still out-do the Leafs defense, and be the difference maker.

No, he isn’t going anywhere.

Do you think so? He was vezina finalist last year with cap control. Goaltending is the most important position, you cant go anywhere without it.

The logic makes some sense though, given Nashville’s struggles this year. At some point they have to accept that they aren’t winning with their current core and will have to sell some assets

Saros’ contract length lines up perfectly with Askarovs development. Not to mention Saros is loved by the city of Nashville. Wouldn’t happen

We dont need Askarov have u not been watching Woll?

Well, look at Ullmark, he's probably going to win the Vezina, where was he last year in Vezina rankings or what was he doing for Boston in the playoffs? Goaltending is important but unless you are getting the best of the best, you're probably better off keeping their goalies who are starters, and adding an elite forward or defender that can make a difference with those assets.

The Leafs need depth scoring and probably another defender who can either replace Holl's function in the line up and pair with Sandin, or someone that can push Sandin to the 7th spot, because the Sandin-Holl/Liljegren pairings aren't reliable enough.

We have our goalie. He's great

Goalies aren't anything until they've shown it consistently in NHL games. No, they aren't likely to put the cart in front of the horse.

If NSH wants to truly bottom out and tank properly, then yeah trading Saros would be smart. His play is what's keeping NSH a mediocre team right now. With just a league average goalie, they'd be a bottom feeder right now.

This package isn't the haul for NSH you think it is though. The Leafs don't have the futures to get a Saros trade done. Their 1st is going to be too far back in the draft (presumably with a top 3 goalie, TOR can make it out of the first round this year), and they don't have a top prospect to offer.

Woll can’t play right now. I do hope he can be a goalkeeper for the future

I get that, but Nashville at best is a bubble playoff team. They’re not open to a full blown rebuild, but they should look to shed assets to get higher draft picks

He’s been phenomenal this year, way better than I thought. It’s games like last night where I worry. Good enough for one period, but his goaltending in the final two periods worries me.

You'll get the same thing with Saros. There's not going to be a perfect goalie

Um Woll can play rn what do u mean lul hes got more experience than Askarov

He shutout the Isles in his Debut then in 4 gp 2.76gaa and a 0.911 against

I see your other points, but he's a top 5-6 goalie no question. And that's the elite list. He's elite.

saros is much better than samsonov, and is a 914 over a larger sample size in the playoff relative to him. i think most people would be far more comfortable with saros in net than samsonov

do you want woll starting game 1 against tampa bay? i don't think he can handle that right now. maybe he's better than askarov, but I don't really care about that rn.

a future top 4 defencemen and a future top 9 winger, and a late first wouldn't get it done? i admit, I wouldn't know what an elite goalie would cost in a trade as there arent many comparables

If he somehow plays and gets hot why not. Once upon a time a team name St. Luis put a rookie named Binnington in and he won them a cup

That said it's gonna be Sammy or Murray and I got no issues with it

Saros is an elite core player, so a replacement elite core player would be necessary. But folks don't like to do that with goaltenders because of that whole "goaltending is voodoo" thing. Therefore it makes no sense to trade Saros, because getting an acceptable return is practically impossible.

Yeah, Saros is elite but I would say giving two first and a good goalie prospect is what would be a reasonable amount to give. That being said the Leafs have two capable starting goalies, so even that would be a waste of assets. NSH will likely want a first round pick that is pick 10-12 or a great goalie prospect.

At the end of the day the goalie needs to just play on an elite level, and having an elite D-core could help for example.

In the last 10 seasons these goalies won the cup:
Crawford, Quick, Murray/Fleury, Holtby, Binnington, Vasilevskiy, and Kuemper


Many were considered elite when they won and some were even among the top 5 goalies over several seasons.

4 have Hall of Fame careers.
2 were rookies when they won and they aren't considered great now. Ironically, Murray was considered a rookie both times and he's also the goalie not being trusted here.
2 were plagued with injuries
We'll have to wait and see what Kuemper will do but he's just a good starter.

In the years they won Crawford was 8th in Vezina voting, Quick 5th (2nd two years prior), Crawford 6th, seems like Fleury had no votes but he did have a strong 15-16 season and Murray was ineligible, no votes for Fleury or Murray in the following year either but Murray did have a strong season, Holtby had no votes (was 2nd year before), Binnington was ineligible, Vesi was 3rd (won the year before) and 2nd, and Kuemper had a strong season but no votes (5th 3 years prior).

So, while goaltending has a great importance in winning a cup, it's also the most unpredictable aspect of the game.

Saros hasn't had enough playoff success for the gamble to be worth it for the Leafs. Ultimately, it won't make much of a difference unless they do get passed the first and second rounds.

I think people would be more comfortable with Samsonov, Murray, Sandin, Knies, and a 1st, imo

The last thing NSH needs to add is another LD. They've already got Josi, McDonagh, Ekholm, and Lauzon with term. Of the D prospects they have, the only ones who have already turned pro and are closest to the NHL are all lefties as well. NSH needs to shed a player or two at that position, not take someone like Sandin.

They've got a lot of prospects on the wing too. Knies wouldn't be their best one, like he is for TOR. The Leafs just don't have many high end prospects, and not ones that would make the most sense for the Preds. The Canes would make a lot more sense as a destination for Saros. They've got a couple RD prospects (Morrow and Nikishin) that NSH could really use, and just more prospects to choose from overall. They wouldn't need to send salary back to make a Saros deal work, and with Andersen and Raanta both being UFAs they have a bigger need for Saros than other contenders do.