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Créé par: bogdown

Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver

Date de création initiale: 14 déc. 2022

Publié: 14 déc. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Colorado gets a 2C to fill the spot left by Kadri leaving
Minnesota gets a 2C behind Eriksson Ek

Both deals would include an extension for Horvat. Horvat is a two way centre capable of putting up 60+ points with people like Pearson on his wing. Put him with Zuch and Kaprizov or Boldy, or Lekhonen and Nichuskin and he'll produce.

I could definitely see Horvat being more than a rental on both of these teams. Horvat denied the Canucks offer not necessarily because of the money but because of how garbage management treated him. I'm sure management choosing Miller over him at 8x8 and only offering him 8x5.125 was the last straw. I could see him signing a deal more around 7 with a team that treats him right and actually has a chance to win.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Horvat, Bo		1	5 500 000 $

Transactions

VAN

Goligoski, Alex
Lambos, Carson
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MIN)

Détails additionnels:

Lambos would be really nice but I don't know if Minnesota is willing to give him up. Faber is untouchable, Minnesota boy who they just traded FIala for. Ohgren, Addison, and Rossi are untouchable as well. Lambos is their next best prospect. Goligoski in for cap reasons?

MIN

Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

Extension 8x$7mil

VAN

Girard, Samuel
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)

Détails additionnels:

Creates $16 million in cap space for Horvat and re-signing Toews in two years.

COL

Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

Extension 8x$7mil

Rachats de contrats

Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Bo Horvat: 2 750 000 $ (66.67%)
Bo Horvat: 2 750 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	82 500 000 $	87 692 084 $	1 250 000 $	1 232 500 $	-5 192 084 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Miller, J.T. 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias 7 350 000 $7 350 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Boeser, Brock 6 650 000 $6 650 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Mikheyev, Ilya 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4		Garland, Conor 4 950 000 $4 950 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Kuzmenko, Andrei 950 000 $950 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Åman, Nils 883 750 $883 750 $ (82 500 $$82K) C RFA - 2	Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 3
Höglander, Nils 891 667 $891 667 $ (300 000 $$300K) AG, AD RFA - 1	Joshua, Dakota 825 000 $825 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack 762 500 $762 500 $ AD, C RFA - 2
	Dries, Sheldon 762 500 $762 500 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Hughes, Quinn 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Martin, Spencer 762 500 $762 500 $ G UFA - 2
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver 7 260 000 $7 260 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 5	Bear, Ethan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Delia, Collin 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Schenn, Luke 850 000 $850 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Goligoski, Alex 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 2
Lambos, Carson 894 167 $894 167 $ DG RFA - 4
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 5

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Demko, Thatcher 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G UFA - 4	Ferland, Micheal 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1
	Pearson, Tanner 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Poolman, Tucker 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DD UFA - 3
		Dermott, Travis 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 54

Juiceman

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Now we have a glut of LHD.

14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 55

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Quoting: Juiceman

Now we have a glut of LHD.

Anything to get Stillman off the ice.

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14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 55

Juiceman

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Quoting: bogdown

Anything to get Stillman off the ice.

How are we supposed to get first overall picks if we don't have tank commander Stillman?

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14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 57

palhal

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Can't think of a good trade..."Add the extension". Both Colorado and Minni likely don't have the desire or cap for such a long term extension anyway. Golgiski doesn't waive for NMC.

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14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 57

MeetYourMakar

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I appreciate you putting what the extension would look like but, I don't think the Avs can afford Horvat at 7m if they couldnt justify Kadri for the same. The "savings" from Girard being traded isn't enough to replace him after spending it on Horvat. Also Byram and Newhook need deals and Toews next summer

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14 déc. 2022 à 20 h 58

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Quoting: Juiceman

How are we supposed to get first overall picks if we don't have tank commander Stillman?

Miller, Myers, Boeser, and Garland are doing a mighty fine job commanding the tank.

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 0

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Even with moving Girard (which, where did you come up the $16M in cap space?), Avs don't have space to add Horvat long-term; they definitely can't add Horvat and re-sign Toews. Also, didn't he reject $8M from the Canucks? Why would he sign for $1M less with the Avs? Horvat to Colorado isn't going to happen.

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14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 2

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

Colorado's cap situation is looking really tough. Toews could get 6+ on his next deal, Byram and Newhook around 4, The big thing for Colorado is signing those two long term for cheap. I think this deal is fair, extension or not, for both teams.

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 5

bogdown

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

Horvat wants out, it doesn't matter how much you throw at someone after you put him second behind Miller. He takes less to play for a team that wins a cup. Even as a rental situation I think this deal is fair. Trading Girard opens up room to sign Newhook or Byram (possibly both) long term. Horvat fills in on 2C for the playoff push.

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 8

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Quoting: bogdown

Next season, the Avs have $11.6M in cap space to get to 20 players. Trade Girard and that goes to $16.6M; if Horvat takes up $7M, that leaves $9.6M to sign 7 players, including RFA's Byram, Newhook and Meyers. That isn't enough money to sign anyone long-term. Horvat to Colorado doesn't work.

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14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 9

#11

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Nucks are lucky to get a 1st and a prospect for Horvat.

Everyone knows he's a future cap dump

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 9

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avas instantly decline, how many times does this trade need to be posted and get rejected by 31 other fan bases

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14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 11

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coga16

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Quoting: bogdown

yet you have him extending there for more than girards cap, so now on earth doest that open up cap space, all you did is sewer the avs cap space

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14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 17

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

I think it was just under 8 mil(like 7.95 mil) as we couldn't make work if we are going down the slight retool and hope for the playoffs route which would require resigning Schenn(about 2.5milx2) and Kuzmenko(about 3.95milx3).

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 21

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Pain

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Bruh he rejected 7.4M

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 36

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Quoting: bogdown

Just curious where did you hear Horvat wants out.Fact is he has said the opposite of that on TV several times.Just wondering where you may have heard that?Not trying to be a smart a$$.

14 déc. 2022 à 21 h 49

#17

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Girard has more value than horvat.

14 déc. 2022 à 22 h 20

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With an extension it's a reasonable trade for the Avs. Without an extension it isn't. The problem is that the Avs can't afford the extension and that's IF Horvat were to take a reduced amount to play for the Avs which is unlikely as he's rejected more from VAN. Therefore it's a no.

14 déc. 2022 à 22 h 25

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Quoting: bogdown

Horvat has never stated that he wants out of Vancouver, he just wants to get paid.

14 déc. 2022 à 23 h 26

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I really don’t understand where the “creates $16M in cap space” comes from. Horvat at $7M is $2M more expensive than Girard. Your move doesn’t create cap space for 2023-2024, it loses cap space and a 1st round pick.

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