Lets wait for the Nucks fans to go apesheet over this proposal.

as they should

Canucks obviously pass

Hi I was told to go ape **** on this deal. You're telling me the cap strapped Canucks will take on 10 million in AAV for a 4th and giving up Brock boeser. Just because he isn't scoring doesn't mean there isnt value there. Canucks would hard pass this one.

An overpaid third liner, and a bust who hasn't lived up to the potential he showed as a 3rd overall pick who is in the last year of his contract and can walk in July.

Sure Boeser has had injury and consistency issues, but they can get a far better offer for him, and my understanding is they want cap flexibility, so they'd likely want a high pick and a good prospect.

Vancouver likely has no interest in Drouin so acquiring him when it's not needed to make the deal doesn't make any sense. Hughes finding cap for Armia if he returns is his issue.

Dvorak might be of interest to Vancouver but they aren't going to value him much so it's going to require more than a 4th on top.

So it’s probably Drouin at full cap + futures or Dvorak+futures.

The package is going to need to be worth more than a 3rd+4th to the Canucks.

They are insane. Did the same with JT Miller but at least Miller had value and wasnt overpaid.

Boeser has 4 goals on the year and has a 6.6M cap hit. Never scored 30 goals in his career despite playing with talent like Petey. That is cap dump territory.

Still I've offered up 2nd round picks for him unlike other fan bases (that offer 5th rounders.) And yet, I'm told but Canucks fans in serious tone not sarcasm that the price is too low lmao I dont even think he will get close to a 2nd rounder but I try to compromise.

Huh?!

That is exactly why. He's a goal scorer that doesnt score and makes too much money in a cap world. That is like saying just cause a goalie doesnt stop pucks doesnt mean there isnt value there.

Drouin (cap space) + some combination of (probably two of): a 2nd, 3rd, and a good/decent prospect is probably the type of deal that could interest Vancouver. Would provide a ton more cap flexibility than what other teams are providing, the value part though is going to be interesting, he's expected to be traded at a discount but there seems to be a ton of demand.

There's definitely demand. Only because the price is cheap tho. If the Canucks were asking for a 1st, the demand would be zero.
Habs will only trade for Boeser if they can dump an overpriced Winger at term. Their wings are full of Boesers. Drouin doesnt qualify as a UFA. It would be Hoffman or Armia otherwise there is no fit.

Him not scoring results in him getting traded at a reduced value (aka not a 1st+) but he's still producing at a 60 pt pace though. The Canucks are just trying to free up cap (although they don't have to) and seem to be less worried about the returning value. What it takes to get Boeser is probably freeing up 4m+ for them after this season + something in the range of two 2nds to two 3rds. There does seem to be a lot of interest around him though, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets something in the upper/mid-range or more depending on how much cap is freed.



Hoffman or Armia don't free up much cap for Canucks, so the cost of acquisition is going to be higher depending on the other offers from contenders with no cap. MTL might decide to gift Vancouver cap (if they are able to move cap themselves since they need to sign Caufield and others) to get him for a low value.

Josh Anderson has 7 goals and 9 points at a 5.5M cap hit with 5 years left. Only scored 20 goals once in his career. Yet I’m told by Habs fans he should receive a 1st + top prospect in a trade? Yet Boeser who has always been a better player is a cap dump?

Cap dump like a Lucic from Calgary and a 2nd for Boeser I've proposed

Cap dump like Hoffman and a 2nd from Montreal as well. Hoffman has one year less of term and 2M less of cap per year.

Vancouver needs money next season for Kuzmenko and Horvat as well as a legit option on the right side of defence. That will cost them18-20M in total cap

Here we go again. Only retort is Josh Anderson a completely different player. I believe that is called triggering

Well Boeser would instantly become the second best winger on your team, yet you think he’s a negative asset despite the fact that when he’s played bad this year he’s still on a 62 point pace. I know points aren’t everything but that’s not a negative asset

Brock Boeser: D/o/B 02/25/1997
Tage Thompson: D/o/B 10/30/1997

I remember two years ago, after Tage Thompson had scored 14 points in 38 games -- when Brock Boeser scored 49 points in 56 games, or 250% more points in only 50% more games -- even Buffalo fans were trading him away because he wasn't producing. And I recall that at the same time, Jeff Skinner was universally perceived as a cap dump and Kyle Okposo was seen as a plug, even by Sabres guys.

Players go through stretches, and we can't see into the future. Remember when Philip Grubauer and Devan Dubnyk were considered elite goaltenders? It takes an extended period of mediocrity to determine that a player is no longer what he used to be.

Moving just Lucic isn't enough for CGY in the long-term, I think they need to dump 2m to make their cap work for the following year, but yeah I think a 2nd alone is a bit too low. Would probably be at least a 2nd+4th. They have less flexibility than MTL since they already resigned Huberdeau and Weegar to extensions, and they don't have many guys that they could move.

Because Horvat+Kuzmenko+1 Dman should cost them around 16m (3m+5m+8m) in the additional cap (they also need 2-3m for other raises), it shows why Vancouver would want a UFA like Lucic or Drouin. Hoffman could be a possibility too but I don't think they get away with just Hoffman+ a 2nd (unless it's MTL's 2023 2nd), because that only might free up enough cap for a Horvat extension. Horvat might also get traded though, so in that case they would have 6m-7.5m to work with just off those two moves.

If the Canucks sell low on Boeser, it is to shed cap. This is not shedding cap

We arent talking about potential here. That is neither here nor there.

Its about value. Thompson value two years ago wasnt a 1st either. I remember many saying how the Sabres bungled the Oreilly trade because Thompson was thought as a bust.

WE are talking Boeser current value not potential. And, you are also pointing out the exception to the rule. Most players dont take as long as Thompson to breakout. Exceptions dont make the rule. They are exceptions

Many many pundits were wrong about Thompson including me. That doesnt make these pundits wrong about everything! See how that works? Or I could show you how i didnt bungle players values at last TDL?

Well then Trade him to the Habs along with a 1st rd pick to shed your cap as was done with Monahan and we will be glad to take him off your hands.

Boeser has 16 points in 21 GP this year.

Monahan had 23 in 65 last season.

Just not comparable at all. Vancouver shouldn't trade Boeser mid-season anyway - the only teams that have cap space shouldn't be spending the assets required to get him, and the teams that would benefit from adding him don't have the cap space. Dude needs a change of scenery, obviously, and the best time to trade him would be in the offseason when more teams will have the cap space, meaning more teams will be in on him, which means Vancouver can get *something* back for him - even if it's an Oliver Bjokrstrand-type deal with just a couple picks coming back.

Makes way more sense than taking back bad cap they don't need - taking Dvorak back only saves them $2.2M against next year's cap, and if the goal is clearing Boeser to sign Horvat, well...that's not gonna help.