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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #6: No More Summer of Dorion

9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 39
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players should not have to fight for these kind of hits though. Keep your head up


Not fight but respond just go up grab jersey and go hey man no no. Dont have to go full on brawl just show u disliked it. Never has to go full on drop gloves tilt
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 41
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Dom's model is heavily affected by the team a player plays for.

Here are two devils who have a better xEVD than Hishcier and a bunch of other players.

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So Bergeron and Stone aren’t Selke candidates either?

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Clean hit, shouldn’t have to fight for this





What would you have wanted the Devils to do? Just stand their and act like nothing happened?
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9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 43
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So Bergeron and Stone aren’t Selke candidates either?



What would you have wanted the Devils to do? Just stand their and act like nothing happened?


While I agree dont go full on tilt whenever ur guys down I say a response is warranted. As to me if u dont your not showing support for your team. Like if we look Tor vs. LA

Robertson gets hit is hurt NO RESPONSE

ZAR hits Kaliyev immediately Roy (who hit Sandin) and Lizotte go after him with Lizotte taking a penalty because he decides to go a bit to far before getting in a fight

Like yes no need to drop gloves and all that but still show u care for that and dont appreciate it otherwise its just gonna happen again and again and wont always be interference or penalty
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 45
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Quoting: Devil
So Bergeron and Stone aren’t Selke candidates either?



What would you have wanted the Devils to do? Just stand their and act like nothing happened?




I didn’t list every forward. There are probably another 10-more than the ones I listed that have a better defensive impact than hischier

It was a clean hit, players shouldn’t have to answer for clean hits. If it was a hit to the head it would be different.
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 46
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Dom's model is heavily affected by the team a player plays for.

Here are two devils who have a better xEVD than Hishcier and a bunch of other players.

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what the heck is xEVD
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 47
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what the heck is xEVD


expected even strength defense
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 53
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I didn’t list every forward. There are probably another 10-more than the ones I listed that have a better defensive impact than hischier

It was a clean hit, players shouldn’t have to answer for clean hits. If it was a hit to the head it would be different.


Name the players (or show the chart)

Well it would be alarming and stupid if your teammates didn’t stick up for you regardless if it was a clean or dirty hit.
9 déc. 2022 à 20 h 55
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While I agree dont go full on tilt whenever ur guys down I say a response is warranted. As to me if u dont your not showing support for your team. Like if we look Tor vs. LA

Robertson gets hit is hurt NO RESPONSE

ZAR hits Kaliyev immediately Roy (who hit Sandin) and Lizotte go after him with Lizotte taking a penalty because he decides to go a bit to far before getting in a fight

Like yes no need to drop gloves and all that but still show u care for that and dont appreciate it otherwise its just gonna happen again and again and wont always be interference or penalty


How does everything relate to the Leafs
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 2
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How does everything relate to the Leafs


Im using them as an example of a response vs no response

As basically if NJ did nothing its basically what we saw last night. Does it negatively affect the game no but its nice to show teammates u got their back
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 2
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Name the players (or show the chart)

Well it would be alarming and stupid if your teammates didn’t stick up for you regardless if it was a clean or dirty hit.


Here are 21 players with a better defensive impact than Hischier.

They should be mad at wood for skating through the middle of the ice looking at his feet


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9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 4
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Quoting: Devil
Well it would be alarming and stupid if your teammates didn’t stick up for you regardless if it was a clean or dirty hit.


It really wouldn't - clean hits are part of the game, completely within the rules, and the vast majority don't result in a fight. Take it and move on.

I get wanting to do something about it if your teammate gets blown-up, even if it's clean, but refs oughta be more vigilant with instigators in those scenarios.
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 14
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😂


He is a forward right?


Right?
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9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 16
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Dom's model is heavily affected by the team a player plays for.

Here are two devils who have a better xEVD than Hishcier and a bunch of other players.

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Is that elite centerman Kotkaniemi on that list? Canes fans were right, Kotkaniemi is Bergeron
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9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 18
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How does everything relate to the Leafs


Leafs are the center of the universe remember?
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 18
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Is that elite centerman Kotkaniemi on that list? Canes fans were right, Kotkaniemi is Bergeron


Unfortunately he’s an offensive blackhole
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9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 20
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Here are 21 players with a better defensive impact than Hischier.

They should be mad at wood for skating through the middle of the ice looking at his feet


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Just curious, what site is this containing these stats?
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 20
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Unfortunately he’s an offensive blackhole


Canes fans told me his offensive underlying numbers were up to par with McDavid and MacKinnon
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 21
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Just curious, what site is this containing these stats?


Evolving hockey
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 23
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Evolving hockey


Nico Hischier's expected offense is surprisingly low considering he has been producing quite well
9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 25
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Nico Hischier's expected offense is surprisingly low considering he has been producing quite well


The devils are a wagon , everyone is producing. Tatar is the main driver on his line.
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9 déc. 2022 à 21 h 25
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The devils are a wagon , everyone is producing. Tatar is the main driver on his line.


Not something I was expecting to hear in 2022
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9 déc. 2022 à 22 h 2
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Not something I was expecting to hear in 2022


Tatar has had a few seasons where he’s been an elite play driver. Underrated player, great in transition. He creates a lot of space for his linemates
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9 déc. 2022 à 22 h 4
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Man if u look at the metro there is a team who looks so out of place its funny

Carolina is second in the division but has a goal differential of 4.

Like give em credit but wow
9 déc. 2022 à 22 h 16
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Superstar



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9 déc. 2022 à 22 h 27
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Tatar has had a few seasons where he’s been an elite play driver. Underrated player, great in transition. He creates a lot of space for his linemates


You're talking about Tomas "regular season" Tatar? Can't wait to watch him be a healthy scratch again in the playoffs.
 
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