Outperform in what category? Pageaus been sitting in the 85th-90th percentile in WAR according to jfresh his entire time with NYI. Also remember pageau is 2 years older than monahan as JGP just turned 30 and Sean just turned 28. So yes will monahan in his age 31-33 seasons be better than JGP in his age 33-35 seasons probably. Will monahan be as good in his age 28,29,30 seasons as JGP was/is in his age 28,29,30 seasons? Not a chance.

It really comes down to your preference for Henrique since you're willing to pay a 1st for him, even though his stats are comparable to Monahan. As you previously mentioned you believe that his style is a better fit for the Avs.

And he has a better track record than Monahan. 20 games does not undo Monahans last 4 years. WHen healthy he has been a good regular season player, but an awful playoff performer.

Can't forget the extra year of term Henrique has over Monahan - the 1st is a little more palatable when you're getting him for 2 playoff runs instead of just 1.

In what category? Pageau has been in the 85th-90th percentile in WAR according to jfresh for his entire time in NYI. Needless to say monahan hasn’t. Another issue for monahan is his skill set doesn’t match his talent level. He has the skills of a top 6 C but the talent level of a middle 6 C while JGP has the skill set and talent level of a middle 6 C. Pageau is also 2 years older than monahan. So yes if you’re asking will monahan in his age 31-33 seasons outperform pageau in his age 33-35 seasons? Probably. But will monahan in his age 28,29,30 seasons outperform pageau in his age 28,29,30 seasons not a chance.

Please help me to understand. Henrique had 2 playoffs run in his career: 2011-12 with 13 points in 23 games, and in 2017-18 with 0 point in 4 games.

Monahan played 30 playoff games in total (21 points) and his last run was in 2019-20 with 8 points (2G-6A) in 10 games.

Monahan (28 yo) is younger than Henrique (32 yo).

How can you say that Henrique is a better option for the playoffs than Monahan?

Yes. He has been consistent in his career and hasn’t been labeled a a player who disappears when the games get tougher.

Ask any flames fan about monahan in the playoffs. He becomes a ghost

But a ghost who can produce.

On the other hand Henrique didn't produce in the playoffs since 2011-12.

Not really. Actually look at his game logs for playoff rounds, he has gone completely ghost mode for full series

That is why just looking up point totals is a bad way of determining anything. Take the time to dig into the logs and see

I won't, I'll take your word.

But I still don't understand what you see in Henrique that you find attractive.

don't want to speak for them but i'd guess: a)cheaper, and b)term. They're pretty similar production wise so I'm gonna go with the lower cap hit and the extra playoff run if you're gonna tell me the cost is basically the same between the two of these players.

He’s good defensively, has a nice shot, has the skating ability to keep up with the avs, good at face offs but most importantly

Consistent

He has had a career that is as consistent as you would want for a 2c, great 2 way play, 44-50 points automatic

Monahan is just not consist, he is streaky and no way close to the consistency you want, add in the injury history and poor skating, he’s not a guy that makes sense on the avs. He’s not a 2c level player on a contender

Avs aren't going to go after someone like Horvat

Okay those are very good points. But those are usually the attributes of a 3C not a 2C, and I thought COL was looking for a 2C.

Name a 3c putting up that consistently, that is not a 3c. There are not 50 point 3cs.

Also is saying avs are looking for a 2c, it’s fans of 31 other teams who are saying they are. Avs are not actively looking for one

Henrique only had one season of 50 points. On average he's more around 42-43 points but very consistent indeed.

Dvorak is a 3C just a little less consistent but with an average of about 35-37 points, not far behind.

youre moving goal posts and losing track of the point of the conversation.

Yes and no. I'm trying to understand Avs needs.

add a middle 6 forward, prefer a C/W. They dont have to "add a 2C" that is just a thing other fan bases are obsessing about. Could that guy play 2C, sure at moments. they could also play 3LW as well.
a player that is strong defensively, a good skater, and forechecks...a player that fits the avs identity.

They dont have to throw major assets at this hypothetical idea of a getting a 2C at the deadline. They need health first. They havent played 1 game with the top 6 they envisioned during this offseason.
And the narrative around newhook isnt working out is just wrong. Since the end of october he has 7 points in 11 games and his shot production has doubled. He is doing more than fine considering his most common linemates are Martin Kaut and Rodrigues due to the injuries the avs have. Wait till Nichushkin and Landeskog are back.

Many fans on here hope to see teams being active and of course we're all here on ACGM for the fun of it. But we will not see action in the trade market before February and by then, Nichushkin and Landeskog will be back in the line up. Lots of things can happen in 3 months.

exactly, which is my point. So The comments of who would you rather invest in Monahan vs Horvat etc cost wise are irrelevant at this point. They could be off the market, already moved, etc as well as other teams becoming sellers will bring new players to market.

Avs need health first, and they will add at the deadline, they will do smart buys that fit their needs and wont be burning away assets on players they cant keep.

Terrible question I’d 1000% take Newhook over Monahan who falls apart in the playoffs