no one is taking on the palmieri contract for just a 4th

Palmieri has 2years left after this at $5mil per
U really think a 4th will convince someone to pay that $10mil in salary??
You’re dreaming

Likely multiple 1sts,
especially if u want him gone this year

Multiple 1sts???? Smdh man is on pace for 27 goals this year, why exactly would he cost multiple 1sts? Especially with his very buyout friendly contract.

multiple 1sts? i mean he is on a 27 goal pace. He is not worth his contract but to get a player of his caliber would cost 4-5 mil in FA (Perron for example, a tier or two below Copp and a tier below strome). he likely has net zero value, could be bought out for relatively cheap or traded for some solid value with 1-1.5 mil retention.

I am the biggest Palmieri hater out there but lets be realistic here.

Then buyout him.

Look at Sean Monahan return.

Palmieri is on pace to have as many goals as monahan had points. Not to mention monahans injury problems as well as the fact that CGY had no leverage at all given that they wanted to sign kadri.
You’re trying to tell me that 1.67 of dead cap for 4 years (his buyout) would cost NYI multiple 1sts!!!! Talk about trying to wish things into existence.

If ANYONE wanted him, he’d be gone
He’s a Cap dump, even if he’s still a bit productive

Not many teams have Cap room for him
And he’s still owed over 12.5mil in real $$$

But him out yourself then

the islanders have not shopped him lil bro. I could make that argument on Dahlin since he hasnt been traded yet! Palms is putting up similar numbers to what got him that haul a few years ago. His contract is a slight overpay, lets chill. also we wont buy him out because the next player of his caliber who we would get would cost the same amount.

Again, the islanders have not shopped him

Try telling your fellow Isles fan who made this ACGM
It wasn’t me dude

yeah he wants him gone to clear cap. This is pretty close to net zero. Stop getting so mad. Palms may not be a fit in Buffalo (my 2nd fav team is Buffalo) but he isnt getting dumped with two 1sts lol. Not even ladd got that

EDIT: Palmieri's 21-22 season had a SPAR value of 5.7 mil. He is not a cap dump lol

Worth noting for all the back and forth about Palmieri is that he's pretty much un-dumpable with his NTC. I can't see a guy who was born on Long Island and who just had a kid last winter champing at the bit to get moved out of here. But even if we pretend he's fine with waiving, the costs in this thread are all too extreme. Andrew Ladd was a worse player with a higher cap hit(against a lower salary cap) two summers ago and it cost a pair of 2nds to dump his $11M in total AAV. I'd wager if the cap jumps to $86.5M this summer, that would probably be what it would cost to dump a guy with 2x$5M left.

Besides - as said in this thread, he's been productive enough - if he finishes with 25ish goals and 45-50 points, well, that's what a good Kyle Palmieri season looks like, and I think everyone's happy with him, even at $5M. And there *would* be cap room for him on this team with the presumed $86.5M ceiling - OP left this at $82.5M and has $413K left. 86.5 means there'd be $4.4M in cap left, and then you only have to find an extra $600K to keep Palmieri. Maybe sign someone else than $3M Mayfield for RD3, maybe have Wahlstrom come in at a slightly lower bridge deal, who knows, but finding that $600K doesn't seem onerous.

I’m not mad at all
But the fact remains that teams out there don’t have Cap room
And the ones who do don’t *want* a guy in his 30s that’s owed 12.5mil in real dollars
He’s not gonna be easy to move- like it or not

That’s purposely misleading as he would have 10m in real $ bc we’re talking about the offseason here. I’m not saying anybody’s knocking on the door for him but your valuation is ridiculous.

Palms isnt goiny anywhere. Add 2-4 mil to the cap and dont sign Mayfield, it all works. Bailey is the one who is going

$10mil in real dollars is still gonna cost to get rid of
Generally, $5-$6mil for 1 season costs a 1st

It’s even money his entire contract. He is owed in real $ whatever his cap hit is so it’s 10mil not 12.5 and it’s all in salary no signing bonus.

The $12.5 number was counting the rest of this year as well
Regardless, $10mill is still a big number that’ll cost ya

We would cost closer to multiple first going with than 4th. None of the teams with cap space, have any reason to do NYI a favour. You want him gone, 6mil expiring got 2025 1st with protections. 10 mil, not expiring would cost more. Regardless if Palmeri or Monahan are good or not.

The Monahan dump is closer to the Marleau dump the Leafs had to do a couple years ago - signed too many big contracts and needed to make $6M disappear -NOW-. That's why they paid a 1st in each case.

Isles aren't in a cap crunch (as I said upthread, you can easily fit Palmieri under the $86.5M expected cap with only a couple tweaks.) I don't think anyone's getting away with dumping 2x$5M for a 4th, sure, but I think that you can easily point to the Andrew Ladd dump from a couple summers ago as a better comp - the money wasn't 100% necessary to get off the cap, and Arizona got a pair of 2nds for eating 2x$5.5M. With Palmieri being an actually decent player, a higher cap, and a slightly lower AAV, I could see the price dropping to a 2nd & 3rd/4th, depending on how much you can sweet talk the other GM.

Cap is not going to be 86.5. Palmer I can probably be dumped for a first or second plus depending on UFA goes with a lot of big names hitting the market

Just curious - you're not the first person I've seen say this, but what's happened in the last month since Bettman said there was a "good probability" it would jump? Haven't heard anything in general about it either way since that press conference, but seems a bit doom and gloom to say we won't see the bump up.

A guy making 5 million that's on pace for 27 goals is probably fine. We aren't in the market for wingers right now. So the real problem becomes, even if Palmieri is not overpaid, does anybody that actually has 5 million in space, actually want him. So that's where the problem is. Teams like Buffalo aren't just gonna take somebody because they have cap space and you ask nice. You are thinking arizona.

I agree, if the player is a straight cap dump. Palmieri still has, well not negative value. That complicates this. I 100% agree, if I was a gm I would pay 5 million dollars in cap for a mid-late first. So it follows that I would take a 5 million dollar cap dump if I was getting that first (assuming I had adequate cap space for whatever I was planning for the year). For buffalo right now, Palmieri makes zero sense, he would be blocking kids that absolutely have to be evaluated. We do not want or need him. What it would take for the Sabres to actually take him would be up for debate, but they have outright said they aren't blocking their kids, and they haven't lifted a finger to do anybody a solid by taking cap at all.

That’s not until 24/25 season. Next year it will be 83.5 (unless a miracle happens)