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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 20 oct. 2022
Publié: 20 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Leafs get a physcial defensive rd man in Roy. Dubas was talking about trying to get a player like this all off season and never did. Horvat would be a nice upgrade. I extended him here also. I would do the trade even if he doesn't. Kerfoot to Calgary has potential. They have a spot for him in their top 9 and if they deem a guy like Kane being too expensive, this could be a good trade for both teams.

I think they Leafs need to get bigger, stronger throughout their line up. These trades do just that. I still think they lack a bit of toughness on D but this is better. Getting a guy like Schenn in the Horvat deal as a 7 guy is also something I would like.

LA gets Chychrun after this trade:

La Gets:
Chychrun
2 x 3rds in 2024

Arizona Gets:
Walker, Sean
Turcotte, Alex
Spence, Jordan
2023 1st round pick (LAK)
2023 1st round pick (TOR

Thoughts?
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Roy, Matt
Détails additionnels:
LA gets Chychryun - Toronto gets Roy.
LAK
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Horvat extends 6.5 x 8 after trade is finalized.
VAN
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $78 192 913 $212 500 $0 $4 307 087 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
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1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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840 630 $840 630 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2

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20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 50
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Calgary doesn't need Kerfoot
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 51
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Only way I see CGY paying a 2nd for Kerfoot is if he comes 50% retained, so if TOR can find and pay a 3rd Team to retain, we'd likely be all over it
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 52
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Calgary doesn't need Kerfoot

Would be much better to have Kerfoot at 3LW than Lewis at 3RW, just need his Cap Hit retained & sliced down to 25-50% of his $3.5mil Cap Hit is all
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 53
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Quoting: claytron8000
Calgary doesn't need Kerfoot, and there probably isn't a team in the league paying a 2nd for him.


Calgary 100% has an open spot in their top 9. Kerfoot would fill that spot quite nicely. I do think target number one for Calgary should be Patrick Kane. But Kerfoot would be a much cheaper option. Calgary has the most complete team in the league in my mind. If they can upgrade that 1 top 9 forward spot, they will be a true cup contender (I think they are regardless but it would help).

At or around the deadline, a guy like Kerfoot could fetch a 2nd round pick EASY at minimum.
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20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 53
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Matt Roy is not available. Not even for Chychrun.
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 57
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Matt Roy is not available. Not even for Chychrun.


LA fan's have told me many times "Matt Roy is not available, UNLESS it's for a young top 4 left D". I guess not all fans agree on this.

If I am LA I am keeping Durzi and Brandt over Roy, due to their age and years of control and their potential. Doughty is untradeable at his contract. They have the deepest organizational right D in the league. Potential even after trading Roy.
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 59
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Only way I see CGY paying a 2nd for Kerfoot is if he comes 50% retained, so if TOR can find and pay a 3rd Team to retain, we'd likely be all over it


at or around the Deadline, Calgary should be able to absorb Kerfoots entire cap without the retention. IF you want the retention done by a 3rd team I think Calagary has to throw in a 4th round pick to that team.
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 3
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LA fan's have told me many times "Matt Roy is not available, UNLESS it's for a young top 4 left D". I guess not all fans agree on this.

If I am LA I am keeping Durzi and Brandt over Roy, due to their age and years of control and their potential. Doughty is untradeable at his contract. They have the deepest organizational right D in the league. Potential even after trading Roy.


LA is not trading any of Doughty, Roy, or Clarke. Every other RHD is available, including Walker, Durzi, Spence, and Grans. None of these guys bring what Roy does.

If you think Durzi is an upgrade over Roy, then I'd propose sending him back to Toronto instead of Roy. But you wouldn't do that, right? Because Durzi doesn't bring what Roy does, and that's what Toronto needs. LA needs that too, hence why they won't move him.
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 3
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Seems like a waste extending Horvat....even it was possible. Cap really doesn't work in 23/24 if Bunting, Kempf, maybe Engvall are too extending. And the big hope Muzzin LTIRed also
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 5
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at or around the Deadline, Calgary should be able to absorb Kerfoots entire cap without the retention. IF you want the retention done by a 3rd team I think Calagary has to throw in a 4th round pick to that team.

We'll see if he can perform as well as he did last year. Being a contract year for him, he should do well and we did pay a 2nd + 3rd + 7th for Jarnkrok, but that was to get him down to $1mil and I think we expected him to make a much bigger impact with us than he did and re-sign for a Team Friendly deal, but neither of those 2 things happened.

I say either a 2nd and TOR pays for the retention OR CGY offers a 3rd and pays the 3rd & possibly 4th Team for retention themselves

Semantics, but other than wishing Kerfoot was Bigger and Better at Faceoffs, I think he'd be a good fit on the Flames with Backlund & Coleman

CGY likely has other plans for that Deadline Cap Space, hopefully that being of the Patrick Kane variety
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 7
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LA is not trading any of Doughty, Roy, or Clarke. Every other RHD is available, including Walker, Durzi, Spence, and Grans. None of these guys bring what Roy does.

If you think Durzi is an upgrade over Roy, then I'd propose sending him back to Toronto instead of Roy. But you wouldn't do that, right? Because Durzi doesn't bring what Roy does, and that's what Toronto needs. LA needs that too, hence why they won't move him.


I never said Durzi was an upgrade over Roy. I said I would keep Durzi over Roy based on his age, years of control and potential. And you are right, I targeted Roy specifically for what he brings. So I get what you are saying.

So what would be a perfect Chychrun trade in your mind?

Chychrun to LA
Durzi, 2023 1st, 2024 3rd, Turcotte to Arizona?
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 10
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We'll see if he can perform as well as he did last year. Being a contract year for him, he should do well and we did pay a 2nd + 3rd + 7th for Jarnkrok, but that was to get him down to $1mil and I think we expected him to make a much bigger impact with us than he did and re-sign for a Team Friendly deal, but neither of those 2 things happened.

I say either a 2nd and TOR pays for the retention OR CGY offers a 3rd and pays the 3rd & possibly 4th Team for retention themselves

Semantics, but other than wishing Kerfoot was Bigger and Better at Faceoffs, I think he'd be a good fit on the Flames with Backlund & Coleman

CGY likely has other plans for that Deadline Cap Space, hopefully that being of the Patrick Kane variety


Yes for sure! Patrick Kane to Calgary seems like a perfect fit in my mind. If I were Calgary GM, I wouldn't touch their defense at all and I would try and trade picks and prospects for Kane.

Calgary already has a big team, so getting Kerfoot or Kane (clearly different tiers of players but on the smaller side), would be perfectly fine. The Leafs are lacking in the size, physicality side of things, so I would target bigger guys for them and hence me moving out Kerfoot and not going for Kane.
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20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 14
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I never said Durzi was an upgrade over Roy. I said I would keep Durzi over Roy based on his age, years of control and potential. And you are right, I targeted Roy specifically for what he brings. So I get what you are saying.

So what would be a perfect Chychrun trade in your mind?

Chychrun to LA
Durzi, 2023 1st, 2024 3rd, Turcotte to Arizona?


I don't like Chychrun as much as everyone else does, so I wouldn't give up a haul like that.

I'd do a 2023 1st + Turcotte + Walker
or
2023 1st + Durzi + one of Madden or Thomas

If that's not enough, then someone else can have him.
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 18
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LA isn't dealing Roy.

And Engval-Niemela+2024 1st round pick doesn't get you a sign and trade Bo Horvat. The 2024 1st round pick needs to be the 2023 1st round pick. Anyteam that was going after Bo Horvat would easily blow away your offer for him.
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20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 28
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and how do we afford his extension next year? trade makes 0 sense
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 29
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Modifié 20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 45
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Only way I see CGY paying a 2nd for Kerfoot is if he comes 50% retained, so if TOR can find and pay a 3rd Team to retain, we'd likely be all over it


toronto can easily get that done. kerfoot is only owed 700k salary, so 1.75M ( 50%) is only 350k, that gets done for a 4th, by either buffalo or arizona. toronto would love to get a second imo, dubas likes to draft
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Only way I see CGY paying a 2nd for Kerfoot is if he comes 50% retained, so if TOR can find and pay a 3rd Team to retain, we'd likely be all over it


Toronto only has 700k left to pay kerfoot so it's not alot
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 35
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toronto can easily get that done. kerfoot is only owed 750k salary, so 1.75M ( 50%) is only 350k, that gets done for a 4th, by either buffalo or arizona. toronto would love to get a second imo, dubas likes to draft


You might want to try that math again there, bud.
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 43
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Quoting: jake4leafs
toronto can easily get that done. kerfoot is only owed 750k salary, so 1.75M ( 50%) is only 350k, that gets done for a 4th, by either buffalo or arizona. toronto would love to get a second imo, dubas likes to draft


Quoting: Monke
Toronto only has 700k left to pay kerfoot so it's not alot

Yes it'd be a cheap out of pocket cost/way to buy a Pick for a 3rd & maybe 4th Team IF they have & are willing to give up Cap Space to do so: BUF, ANA, ARI, etc.

To get Kerfoot 75% retained = only a $875k Cap Hit would noice, certainly worth a 2nd/3rd + 4th + 7th imo
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 45
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If Bo is going to sign for that Canucks would just keep him and sign him themselves
20 oct. 2022 à 15 h 45
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You might want to try that math again there, bud.


Quoting: tkecanuck341
You might want to try that math again there, bud.


its 700k, made a mistake whoopsie
20 oct. 2022 à 16 h 4
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If Bo wanted 6.5 x 8 he'd have been extended months ago
21 oct. 2022 à 0 h 3
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Constructing a realistic trade for Jakob Chychrun now, when teams' rosters are essentially set for the first half of the season, is difficult when cap considerations are properly considered. Something might be more reasonable at the trade deadline, but I still think a middling cap hit (like Sean Walker) would have to go the other way from our side. And incidentally, having traded away our 2022 first, we might be reluctant to miss a first two drafts in a row.
 
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