Chicago easily declines

Chicago wouldn't even take that call

Chicago easily traded Debrincat who was coming into his prime and still under RFA status away for less.
Chicago is easily dumb. Chicago would easily do this.

I don't see Detroit retaining on another teams player, Detroit has potentially 11 pending UFAs depending on if we can get deals done with both Bertuzzi and Larkin.

I'd imagine that Yzerman resigns both Nedeljkovic and Sundqvist and hopefully Larkin. Still leaving up to 8 pending UFAs. Detroit's only has 2 retention slots open as we're still retaining on Richard Panik for this season.

Wrong. What people don't understand about the Cat situation is he was unwilling to sign an extension and that is exemplified by him not signing an extension in Ottawa right now. A rebuilding team doesn't want to end up in arbitration or signing a short-term deal sending a player to UFA status obviously as they are thinking 4 to 5 years out. Further, not many teams want to take on that risk for a big price tag in draft capital and prospects.

Kane is hands down better then Cat, Chicago easily declines this offer as other teams will offer more.

You know that retention is done after this season and has no impact on signing any UFA's, RFA's etc right? You know Steve Yzerman has done this before with David Savard, Tampa and Columbus right?

It has a hell of a lot to do with those we need to trade at the deadline!

We have 11 players on expiring contracts that may have to be dealt at the deadline to get anything at all for them. Giving away one of the only two retention slots we have for a measly 2nd in 2024 makes that a lot harder than if we have two slots to offer retention if needed on those deals.

It could very well ending up costing us a lot more in missed deals than that 2nd in 24 is worth.

2nd round picks are not measly.

I never said it would impact any UFA or RFA signings, Just that we've far too many pending UFAs that Yzerman would probably rather retain than on Kane. If we can't get a deal done with Bert. We could retain him up to 50% and get a nice haul for him.

It's measly if we miss out on two 1st round picks because we can't retain on Bertuzzi at the deadline!

Who's we? Detroit can take up to 3 retained salary contracts. Can take on 25% of a contract like Kane's and still retain salary on Bert and get a nice haul for him.

Whos' we? Detroit can take up to 3 retained salary contracts. Can take on 25% of a contract like Kane's and still retain salary on Bert as well. Gotta explain everything...

Wrong, Detroit only has 2 retention spots open. Like i said before we're still retaining on Richard Panik for this year. So that only leaves Detroit being able to retain on two more players. And we can get more value retaining on our own players than another teams player.

OK, I'll try easy simple steps, then maybe you'll understand.

1. Teams are allowed three retentions at any one time. With me so far?
2. Detroit have already used one of those three on Páník.
3. That means that we have two retention slots left.
4. You're proposing that we use one of those two on Kane.
5. That would leave us with only one (1) slot left.

Still with me?

6. Detroit has 11 players on expiring contracts.
7. If some of those players don't want to resign with Detroit the normal procedure is to trade them at the TDL.
8. With only one retention slot available that becomes a lot harder to do.

What are you going to do if Bertuzzi, Suter, and Nedeljkovic all decide not to extend with Detroit?

Are you saying that you'll get the same deal for all those three players without retention as with?

Pick needs to be 2023 not 2024, If Detroit are sellers. Yzerman will want 2023 picks you get the best picks in the best draft in recent memory.

1. Teams are allowed three retentions at any one time. With me so far? - Yup
2. Detroit have already used one of those three on Páník. - Yup
3. That means that we have two retention slots left. - Yup
4. You're proposing that we use one of those two on Kane . - For a 2nd Yup
5. That would leave us with only one (1) slot left. - Yup

Still with me? - Yup

6. Detroit has 11 players on expiring contracts. - Yup
7. If some of those players don't want to resign with Detroit the normal procedure is to trade them at the TDL. - Yup
8. With only one retention slot available that becomes a lot harder to do. - Nope, most of Detroit's expiring contracts besides Bert would not yield a 2nd. Therefore don't bother trading them if you can geta 2nd for Kane. With me so far? Or do I have to keep explaining everything to you...

What are you going to do if Bertuzzi, Suter, and Nedeljkovic all decide not to extend with Detroit? - Suter will not get a 2nd. Neither will Ned. The last spot can be used on Bertuzzi. Stop dreaming Billy Boy.

No Detroit can't. Name me one player besides Bertuzzi on Detroit that has an expiring contract that any team would offer up a 2nd for...

Suter? Nope
Ned? Nope
Erne? Haha
Sundqvist? Nope
Maatta? Nope
Walman? Nope
Oesterle? Haha
Larkin? Nope, He will be resigned.

You're logic doesn't take into account that Detroits expiring players besides Bertuzzi and Larkin aren't' that valuable. Taking on a portion of Kanes contract in exchange for a good pick is worth is.

Suter 3rd round pick.
Ned late 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Erne 4th or 5th round pick.
Sundqvist 3rd round pick.
Maatta might get a 2nd round pick but probably a 3rd.
Walman 5th round pick
Oesterle 5th round pick.

While i agree most wont command a 2nd or better outside of Bertuzzi.

Maatta will get a 4th at best. in the past he's been traded for a 5th and a bottom 6 player.
Ned won't get a 2nd unless he has a stellar year. If he does that, why would you consider trading him?
If you are offered up a 2nd for Kanes contract, you take it...because the appeal of getting Kane at 2.62m cap hit is very alluring to a lot of teams pressed against the cap wanting to get over the top.

Kane is hands down better but he's mid 30's and on an expiring contract. This lowers his value. Debrincat is a RFA and mid 20's. This raises his value. And Debrincat will be extended by Ottawa after the last year of his current contract expires. He maybe didn't want to extend with Chicago because he sees the writing on the wall. That the Hawks are a team going in circles down the toilet and not going to be returning to contender status for a very very long time. Ottawa is a young team on the rise and can be part of that core going forward. Much more appealing to sign longer term than spending your career being wasted with the Hawks.

This is the best type of dump no player to shuffle around.

Exactly, Can't go wrong here.

Actually, what he's doing is seeing how it goes in Ottawa which is why he hasn't signed yet. That is the risk Ottawa assumes, that they will wow him, and get him to sign an extension otherwise it's going to be only a 2 year run in Ottawa as that is all Ottawa owns at the moment. That is why the cost was lower then expected for Cat.

Kane is a game changer in the playoffs, and his age has not impacted his performance up to this point and no reason it should be assumed it will for the 1 year remaining which is why age is a non factor here.

Teams are buying either 1 year of Kane or 2 years of Cat, those are the only guarantees that the Hawks can sell the value of. Anything beyond that is between the new team and the player even considering RFA status with Cat.

Back to your proposal, the only way this trade goes through is if Kane says Edmonton is the only team he will waive for. That is highly unlikely, and more likely at minimum that Edmonton, Toronto, and (more then either of those) NYR are teams he waives for and thus driving up the price. Kane changes the destiny of a playoff team more then any player on the market will at the TDL. He's a proven commodity with plenty of hardware to show for it, and teams with hopes of a Cup will pay up. A 2023 1st, very good prospect, and plus is the starting point as pointed out by the professional analysts. Furthermore, Kane's cap hit is prorated against games played, so his cost will be nowhere near $5.2m after the Hawks retain 50%. If you are a cup competing team heading into the playoffs, hands down Kane is the player you want over Cat.

The only thing is they happen way more on CapFriendly than they do in real life.

You got that right, Easier to do on Capfriendly than in real life.