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11 sept. 2022 à 8 h 32
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Fist of all his last name is Lundkvist. Not Lundqvist, lundqvist is retired and a goalie. Secondly, that is not enough to get Lundkvist.
Drury has been very clear on the return. Top 9 C at around the same age as Lundkvist.
Afanasyev is a top 9 C yes but in the AHL, not what Drury asked for
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11 sept. 2022 à 8 h 41
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Nope. We decline. And his name is damn Lundkvist
11 sept. 2022 à 8 h 45
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Quoting: AG_sweden
Fist of all his last name is Lundkvist. Not Lundqvist, lundqvist is retired and a goalie. Secondly, that is not enough to get Lundkvist.
Drury has been very clear on the return. Top 9 C at around the same age as Lundkvist.
Afanasyev is a top 9 C yes but in the AHL, not what Drury asked for


So would he be looking at someone like glass (who would have to go through waivers if he doesn’t make the cut out of camp) or Svechkov who is a younger prospect that projects to be top 9 center in nhl
11 sept. 2022 à 9 h 17
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So would he be looking at someone like glass (who would have to go through waivers if he doesn’t make the cut out of camp) or Svechkov who is a younger prospect that projects to be top 9 center in nhl


I suggested Glass in my mock trade, and got heat from both sides =) But needs to be someone at the same age(ish) and has a decent chance of making the roster.
But yeah more in that tier value wise.
11 sept. 2022 à 11 h 14
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So would he be looking at someone like glass (who would have to go through waivers if he doesn’t make the cut out of camp) or Svechkov who is a younger prospect that projects to be top 9 center in nhl


Svechkov is a good choice, the prospect needs to be waiver exempt. There is no room on the Roster
11 sept. 2022 à 12 h 18
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All of these Ranger prospects that have asked to be traded appear tough to move. They couldn’t get their rumored asking price on McIlrath, Andersson, Kravtsov…will be interesting if they can get for Lundkvist.
11 sept. 2022 à 13 h 34
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I suggested Glass in my mock trade, and got heat from both sides =) But needs to be someone at the same age(ish) and has a decent chance of making the roster.
But yeah more in that tier value wise.


I personally wouldn’t want to move glass from Nashville’s perspective because he should be on the team this season and we don’t really have a place for nils without moving out another dman. I would on the other hand be open to trading Svechkov for nils and then trading carrier for a different set of futures. It’s a pain from our end but the extra year of cap stability from nils contract would help us out next season.
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11 sept. 2022 à 19 h 33
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Quoting: AG_sweden
Fist of all his last name is Lundkvist. Not Lundqvist, lundqvist is retired and a goalie. Secondly, that is not enough to get Lundkvist.
Drury has been very clear on the return. Top 9 C at around the same age as Lundkvist.
Afanasyev is a top 9 C yes but in the AHL, not what Drury asked for


then drury wont find a trade? Nils has NOT panned out. Egor is younger and has a higher ceiling atm. Nobody is going to move a top 9 C whos NHL ready for him. Take what you can get and count your blessings.

Also, I misspelled it. fine. stop being such a nerd about it.
11 sept. 2022 à 19 h 35
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So would he be looking at someone like glass (who would have to go through waivers if he doesn’t make the cut out of camp) or Svechkov who is a younger prospect that projects to be top 9 center in nhl


Glass has close to 0 value. It's going to be sink or swim with him in Nashville this year and I cannot see drury having any interest in him. Egor or Svechkov would be much bigger bets for what the rangers could use.
11 sept. 2022 à 19 h 37
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All of these Ranger prospects that have asked to be traded appear tough to move. They couldn’t get their rumored asking price on McIlrath, Andersson, Kravtsov…will be interesting if they can get for Lundkvist.


it seems like the rangers organization just sucks at developing players. Kakko and Lafrieniere have barely amounted to anything and were lottery picks. definitely something that needs an overhaul in that organization
12 sept. 2022 à 0 h 40
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then drury wont find a trade? Nils has NOT panned out. Egor is younger and has a higher ceiling atm. Nobody is going to move a top 9 C whos NHL ready for him. Take what you can get and count your blessings.

Also, I misspelled it. fine. stop being such a nerd about it.


No he doesn't have higher celling than Nils. His not a top 6 potential forward. Egor hasn't put up good numbers against men, Nils have, twice.
12 sept. 2022 à 8 h 35
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No he doesn't have higher celling than Nils. His not a top 6 potential forward. Egor hasn't put up good numbers against men, Nils have, twice.


yeah, 4pts in 23 games as a supposed puck moving defenseman on a stacked offensive team sure screams "good numbers"

averange rangers fan bias i guess.
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yeah, 4pts in 23 games as a supposed puck moving defenseman on a stacked offensive team sure screams "good numbers"

averange rangers fan bias i guess.


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No he doesn't have higher celling than Nils. His not a top 6 potential forward. Egor hasn't put up good numbers against men, Nils have, twice.


would also love to add 15 pts with a -9 in 34 AHL games. he's not as good as you're rating him brother. Nils and egor are not very far apart.
12 sept. 2022 à 11 h 46
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yeah, 4pts in 23 games as a supposed puck moving defenseman on a stacked offensive team sure screams "good numbers"

averange rangers fan bias i guess.


first of all, super funny that you deleted the girard for dvorak post. can't stand the heat huh?

this does explain a lot tho, you clearly know very little of this sport.

lundKVIST put up 31 pts in 45 games in the SHL as a 19 year old, then 32 pts in 52 games, including 14 goals which was the most of any defenseman, and he won the Salming trophy as the best defenseman. those are good numbers in a mens league that is arguably higher caliber than the AHL

europeans, especially defenseman, often struggle to adapt to North America, with the smaller ice rinks, so it's pretty natural that he'd struggle with the step to the NHL. he still has tons of talent and is still projected as a future top 4 puck-moving dman.
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first of all, super funny that you deleted the girard for dvorak post. can't stand the heat huh?

this does explain a lot tho, you clearly know very little of this sport.

lundKVIST put up 31 pts in 45 games in the SHL as a 19 year old, then 32 pts in 52 games, including 14 goals which was the most of any defenseman, and he won the Salming trophy as the best defenseman. those are good numbers in a mens league that is arguably higher caliber than the AHL

europeans, especially defenseman, often struggle to adapt to North America, with the smaller ice rinks, so it's pretty natural that he'd struggle with the step to the NHL. he still has tons of talent and is still projected as a future top 4 puck-moving dman.


I never deleted it. A mod probably did, didn't get any infractions though, so I have no idea.

Can you get off my meat? I must have made you very upset where you feel the need to creep my profile and find other ACGM's I made just to mald in my comments.
12 sept. 2022 à 12 h 22
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first of all, super funny that you deleted the girard for dvorak post. can't stand the heat huh?

this does explain a lot tho, you clearly know very little of this sport.

lundKVIST put up 31 pts in 45 games in the SHL as a 19 year old, then 32 pts in 52 games, including 14 goals which was the most of any defenseman, and he won the Salming trophy as the best defenseman. those are good numbers in a mens league that is arguably higher caliber than the AHL

europeans, especially defenseman, often struggle to adapt to North America, with the smaller ice rinks, so it's pretty natural that he'd struggle with the step to the NHL. he still has tons of talent and is still projected as a future top 4 puck-moving dman.


Also, I don't know if you know how trade value works... but him struggling to produce on North American ice is whats DROPPING his trade stock.
Teams aren't biting because they don't want to overpay when they are taking a gamble on whether or not he'll adapt. He struggled to produce on a GOOD Rangers team as a puck mover. Teams aren't willing to pay for "what CAN be", when he's already been tested on NA ice. Good european defenseman are normally a gamble in this sense, anyway.

In terms of value and where they have come from, Nils and Egor are not very far off.
12 sept. 2022 à 12 h 48
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Also, I don't know if you know how trade value works... but him struggling to produce on North American ice is whats DROPPING his trade stock.
Teams aren't biting because they don't want to overpay when they are taking a gamble on whether or not he'll adapt. He struggled to produce on a GOOD Rangers team as a puck mover. Teams aren't willing to pay for "what CAN be", when he's already been tested on NA ice. Good european defenseman are normally a gamble in this sense, anyway.

In terms of value and where they have come from, Nils and Egor are not very far off.


1 season in NA is not him having "been tested on NA ice"

even American prospects often struggle in their first NHL/AHL seasons.

also, you said "teams aren't willing to pay for "what CAN be"", which is partly objectively not true. teams are absolutely willing to pay for projected top 4 RHD's.

yes, his trade stock has dropped, which is why trading him is unbelievably stupid from the Rangers perspective, especially for another even more unproven prospect who's barely produced the same p/gp on the AHL level as a forward as Lundkvist has as a defenseman. by your own flawed analysis, the Rangers would be muuuch better off just keeping him if this is the best return they'd get...
12 sept. 2022 à 12 h 52
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1 season in NA is not him having "been tested on NA ice"

even American prospects often struggle in their first NHL/AHL seasons.

also, you said "teams aren't willing to pay for "what CAN be"", which is partly objectively not true. teams are absolutely willing to pay for projected top 4 RHD's.

yes, his trade stock has dropped, which is why trading him is unbelievably stupid from the Rangers perspective, especially for another even more unproven prospect who's barely produced the same p/gp on the AHL level as a forward as Lundkvist has as a defenseman. by your own flawed analysis, the Rangers would be muuuch better off just keeping him if this is the best return they'd get...


he struggled in both the NHL and AHL, how is that not being tested?💀 that’s quite literally what testing a player is.

if teams were so willing to pay for him, he would have moved soon after he was being shopped.
him being wildly overrated is what’s stopping him from being moved.

i agree, don’t trade him. drury has other plans though. you’re not getting more than a top 9 forward for him, which is what egor will most likely end up being.
12 sept. 2022 à 13 h 4
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then drury wont find a trade? Nils has NOT panned out. Egor is younger and has a higher ceiling atm. Nobody is going to move a top 9 C whos NHL ready for him. Take what you can get and count your blessings.

Also, I misspelled it. fine. stop being such a nerd about it.


saying a 22 year old D who dominated the SHL hasn't "panned out" after 59 combined games in North America is a hell of a take. it's very common for European players to take time to adjust to the North American game, so while this year is an important year for Nils, it's too early to call him damaged goods. I think you gotta get him off the Rangers, though.
12 sept. 2022 à 13 h 18
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saying a 22 year old D who dominated the SHL hasn't "panned out" after 59 combined games in North America is a hell of a take. it's very common for European players to take time to adjust to the North American game, so while this year is an important year for Nils, it's too early to call him damaged goods. I think you gotta get him off the Rangers, though.


well, for a first round pick, and what most rangers fans are rating him as, saying he “hasn’t panned out” is not very far off from the truth.

i’m only basing my assumptions from how i’ve interacted with rangers from regard nils.

i’m agreeing with everything you’re saying, and rating him fairly.
12 sept. 2022 à 13 h 48
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Quoting: kxllua
would also love to add 15 pts with a -9 in 34 AHL games. he's not as good as you're rating him brother. Nils and egor are not very far apart.


Nils is a defense man you know that right? with two 30 + points in < 50 games last two seasons in SHL. How much points did Egor did in the KHL now again?
But you don't have to worry, you will keep Egor and NYR will keep Nils. You do seem very high on Egor, so that should make you happy
12 sept. 2022 à 13 h 59
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Nils is a defense man you know that right? with two 30 + points in < 50 games last two seasons in SHL. How much points did Egor did in the KHL now again?
But you don't have to worry, you will keep Egor and NYR will keep Nils. You do seem very high on Egor, so that should make you happy



You’re right, his NHL and AHL ice totals definitely don’t mean anything when he was sooooo good in the SHL.

happy overrating brother
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You’re right, his NHL and AHL ice totals definitely don’t mean anything when he was sooooo good in the SHL.

happy overrating brother


Anyway, you are not getting him for Egor end of story.
12 sept. 2022 à 14 h 3
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Anyway, you are not getting him for Egor end of story.


okay sorry mom 💀
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okay sorry mom 💀


Haha yeah I did sound like that, sorry.
 
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