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Arizonas asking price on Jakob Chychrun according to Brent Wallace

Créé par: sensonfire
Date de création initiale: 16 août 2022
Publié: 16 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Explications
What Arizona's asking price is and what we should be willing to pay are two different things.


Keep that in mind please :)
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Formenton, Alex42 950 000 $
Brännström, Erik21 550 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
De Haan, Calvin1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
ARI
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. Greig, Ridly
  3. 2023 1e round pick (OTT)
  4. 2024 1e round pick (OTT)
Détails additionnels:
I’m told the sens remain in pursuit of Jacob Chychrun. There have been talks this week. The ask remains two 1st round picks and a high end prospect plus Arizona would also take Zaitsev.


Brent Wallace via twitter


https://twitter.com/Freeagentwally/status/1559617691136270340



Also, I recommend listening to the Wally and Methot show with Brent Wallace and Marc Methot.


It's a podcast dedicated exclusively to the Ottawa Senators and it's on YouTube.


It's great stuff :)
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  • Colin White: 875 000 $
  • Michael Del Zotto: 500 000 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $79 981 548 $0 $4 025 000 $2 518 452 $

Formation

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Tkachuk, Brady
8 205 714 $
AG, C
UFA - 6
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Norris, Joshua
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C
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Batherson, Drake
4 975 000 $
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DeBrincat, Alex
6 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Giroux, Claude
6 500 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
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Formenton, Alex
2 950 000 $
AG
RFA
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Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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Joseph, Mathieu
2 950 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 4
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Kelly, Parker
762 500 $
C, AG
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Gambrell, Dylan
950 000 $
C
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Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
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Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
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Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
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Forsberg, Anton
2 750 000 $
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Sanderson, Jake
925 000 $
DG
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Chychrun, Jakob
4 600 000 $
DG/DD
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Talbot, Cam
3 666 667 $
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Holden, Nick
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Hamonic, Travis
3 000 000 $
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Brännström, Erik
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De Haan, Calvin
750 000 $
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Kastelic, Mark
821 667 $
C
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Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
DeBrincat, A.
Stützle, T.
Norris, J.
Chabot, T.
Giroux, C.
Avantage numérique 2
Batherson, D.
Tkachuk, B.
Joseph, M.
Chychrun, J.
Pinto, S.
Infériorité numérique 1
Formenton, A.
Joseph, M.
Sanderson, J.
Zub, A.
Infériorité numérique 2
Gambrell, D.
Watson, A.
Holden, N.
Hamonic, T.

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16 août à 17 h 54
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RIP poorspects. would feel bad for him.
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Bill Armstrong wants a quality roster player and prospect and a 1st round pick.

Sorry i don't consider Zaitsev a quality roster player.
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Bill Armstrong wants a quality roster player and prospect and a 1st round pick.

Sorry i don't consider Zaitsev a quality roster player.


Nah the latest report said 2 1sts and a young prospect . Just like the Jones trade
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Nah the latest report said 2 1sts and a young prospect . Just like the Jones trade


Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.
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I don't understand why they don't just call LA and get them to work out a deal for one of their many RHD? Probably just cost them one decent prospect or pick and then they don't have to over pay to k last a got on his wrong side
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright. There should be protections on the picks to avoid a Bowen Byram situation again but if OTT believes they have improved enough to not be a bottom feeder the next 2 years then I think they should do it
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Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.


No one is gonna pay that for him
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright


I def wouldn’t do that. If Dorion was willing to offer that, the deal would be done
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Beat me to it smile Ridley Greig is definitely on my untouchable list, think he proved that already this WJC. Would make more sense to send back Lassi and/or Brannstrom as a puck moving prospects for Arizona to use to replace chychrun down the line.

Also Locked On Senators > Wally and Methot (love both tho lol)
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No one is gonna pay that for him


I agree, That's why he hasn't been traded yet. If Armstrong wants to unload on Chychrun. He'll need to come down on his asking price.
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Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back. The reason Chych is not s sens right now is the 2 1st round picks ARI wants.
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I agree, That's why he hasn't been traded yet. If Armstrong wants to unload on Chychrun. He'll need to come down on his asking price.


The deal won’t be done without Zaitsev. Ottawa can’t make the money work.
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Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back.

This is pretty much right
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Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back.


Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd
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Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd


Zeitsev has more value to ARI than picks, he makes the tea worst, thus lose more thus better chance at 1st OA. Also Dorion could have already move Zeitsev for a 2nd a while ago but did not want to have a hole in his D so that ARI could ask for more
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Zeitsev has more value to ARI than picks, he makes the tea worst, thus lose more thus better chance at 1st OA. Also Dorion could have already move Zeitsev for a 2nd a while ago but did not want to have a hole in his D so that ARI could ask for more


Kassian also makes the team worse and so does Nemeth. How do you know he couldve moved Zaitsev for a 2nd? Either way the market has already been set for cap dump value to Arizona now

Kassian at 3.2Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd + difference between picks 29 and 32
Nemeth at 2.5Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd which is upgradable to a 2nd minus the value of a recent 3rd round pick

Zaitsev has the same term as them but his cap hit is 1.3M more than Kassian and 2M more than Nemeth. Both of them cost more than a 2nd to dump, so I dont see how Zaitsev would cost less when he has a significantly larger cap hit
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Kassian also makes the team worse and so does Nemeth. How do you know he couldve moved Zaitsev for a 2nd? Either way the market has already been set for cap dump value to Arizona now

Kassian at 3.2Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd + difference between picks 29 and 32
Nemeth at 2.5Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd which is upgradable to a 2nd minus the value of a recent 3rd round pick

Zaitsev has the same term as them but his cap hit is 1.3M more than Kassian and 2M more than Nemeth. Both of them cost more than a 2nd to dump, so I dont see how Zaitsev would cost less when he has a significantly larger cap hit


crapy D hurts more than a crapy 4th line
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Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.


I think the price above is ludicrous. But chycrun does have 3 years left for whatever it's worth.

When all is said and done he'll get some variation of what most big trade pieces get. A first, a top prospect and a decent player
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright. There should be protections on the picks to avoid a Bowen Byram situation again but if OTT believes they have improved enough to not be a bottom feeder the next 2 years then I think they should do it


Is Zaitsev that bad?
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crapy D hurts more than a crapy 4th line


Nemeth is a D also. The value is set
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Is Zaitsev that bad?


Costing a 1st to dump is more of a reflection on the current trade market and his term rather than him being super bad imo
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Is Zaitsev that bad?


yes
16 août à 18 h 38
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Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd


The second and third were two and three years away. That does affect value. But yeah it was a hefty price. I feel like Zaitsev is better than Kassian though.
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No thanks


Quoting: athrin
Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back. The reason Chych is not s sens right now is the 2 1st round picks ARI wants.


What does everybody think of the Wally and Methot show?
 
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