Forums/Armchair-GM

Are we OK with Smith in the AHL

Créé par: Marcsnack
Date de création initiale: 10 août 2022
Publié: 10 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Explications
He is the only defenseman that is waivers exempt (Dumoulin, Letang, Pettersson, Petry, Joseph, Rutta, Friedman, Ruhwedel are all not).
Unless we make a trade to free up an NHL roster spot for him, he likely starts in the AHL. Is that the correct move?
Rachats de contrats
  • Jack Johnson: 1 916 667 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2023
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de NJD
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de FLA
Logo de TOR
2024
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
2025
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
Logo de PIT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 391 842 $0 $0 $108 158 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de PIT
Guentzel, Jake
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de PIT
Rakell, Rickard
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
Logo de PIT
Zucker, Jason
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
6 100 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de PIT
Rust, Bryan
5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de PIT
Heinen, Danton
1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de PIT
Carter, Jeff
3 125 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de PIT
Blueger, Teddy
2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de PIT
McGinn, Brock
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de PIT
Letang, Kris
6 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de PIT
Jarry, Tristan
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de PIT
Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de PIT
DeSmith, Casey
1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
825 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Rutta, Jan
2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de PIT
Friedman, Mark
775 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de PIT
Archibald, Josh
900 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

Code d'intégration

  • Pour afficher cette équipe sur un autre site Web ou blog, ajoutez ce iFrame à la page appropriée
  • Personnalisez les dimensions dans le code IFrame ci-dessous pour adapter votre site de manière appropriée. Minimum recommandé: 400px.

Texte intégré

Cliquer pour surligner
10 août à 17 h 59
#1
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 2,688
Mentions "j'aime": 1,063
Unless he is 10X better than POJ at camp it’s the right move
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 18 h 5
#2
Lets Go Pens
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: avr. 2022
Messages: 192
Mentions "j'aime": 74
Hextall spoke highly of him and his skill set to help improve the transition game. I just don't see someone like that spending much time in the AHL but who knows. I don't know if Joseph can beat him out in training camp but I also don't know what happens to Joseph.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 18 h 25
#3
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2022
Messages: 426
Mentions "j'aime": 120
He will probably start there but I could see him getting called up mid season due to injuries.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 18 h 31
#4
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Play_Party_Hard
Hextall spoke highly of him and his skill set to help improve the transition game. I just don't see someone like that spending much time in the AHL but who knows. I don't know if Joseph can beat him out in training camp but I also don't know what happens to Joseph.


I personally think that he should be in the NHL, but then again I dont want someone like POJ sitting as a #7. I rather have all of them getting minutes, regardless of the league. Ideally, we deal one of Dumo/Pettersson to make space for Smith or deal one of Dumo/Pettersson with POJ and get someone like Chychrun and also open a space for Smith.
10 août à 19 h 15
#5
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Hullsy09
Unless he is 10X better than POJ at camp it’s the right move


It's not really a matter of right or wrong. It's just the reality. Smith will start in the AHL regardless. If he wows in camp, he'll still start in the AHL until the Pens figure out a way to free up cash.
Marcsnack et Hullsy09 a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 19
#6
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
It's not really a matter of right or wrong. It's just the reality. Smith will start in the AHL regardless. If he wows in camp, he'll still start in the AHL until the Pens figure out a way to free up cash.


I dont even think its about freeing up cash, its about freeing up a roster spot. You know Letang, Petry and Rutta are not going anywhere, so it means trading one of Dumo, MP or POJ.
10 août à 19 h 22
#7
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Marcsnack
I dont even think its about freeing up cash, its about freeing up a roster spot. You know Letang, Petry and Rutta are not going anywhere, so it means trading one of Dumo, MP or POJ.


Yeah, that's an issue, too, but I meant more if he's that much better than POJ in camp, they can make a money move to keep them both up and rotate them. JR started a logjam at defense and Hextall continued it.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 29
#8
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Yeah, that's an issue, too, but I meant more if he's that much better than POJ in camp, they can make a money move to keep them both up and rotate them. JR started a logjam at defense and Hextall continued it.


Honestly, I think they are both NHL caliber, but rotating them seems so bad for their development. I rather both full time, you know. :/
10 août à 19 h 31
#9
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Marcsnack
Honestly, I think they are both NHL caliber, but rotating them seems so bad for their development. I rather both full time, you know. :/


Hextall just wanted to continue the defense logjam that JR created.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 33
#10
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Hextall just wanted to continue the defense logjam that JR created.


At least 2 of them are young and can be the future on that blueline, barring we dont trade either of them.
Mr_Gardoki a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 34
#11
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Marcsnack
At least 2 of them are young and can be the future on that blueline, barring we dont trade either of them.


We won't. Dumo is gone after this year. It will likely be Pettersson, POJ and Smith in 23/24
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 37
#12
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
We won't. Dumo is gone after this year. It will likely be Pettersson, POJ and Smith in 23/24


I honestly would be okay with that.
Mr_Gardoki a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 38
#13
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 2,688
Mentions "j'aime": 1,063
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
It's not really a matter of right or wrong. It's just the reality. Smith will start in the AHL regardless. If he wows in camp, he'll still start in the AHL until the Pens figure out a way to free up cash.


Agreed. But I think there is a world where Hextall watches camp then picks up the phone right away - gets POJ dealt before the season starts. Who knows tho
10 août à 19 h 39
#14
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Hullsy09
Agreed. But I think there is a world where Hextall watches camp then picks up the phone right away - gets POJ dealt before the season starts. Who knows tho


I could see that. I would prefer we keep both youngsters but that is a possibility.
Hullsy09 a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 39
#15
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Hullsy09
Agreed. But I think there is a world where Hextall watches camp then picks up the phone right away - gets POJ dealt before the season starts. Who knows tho


I highly doubt POJ gets moved, but I guess anything is possible. The likelihood that Dumo remains a Penguin after this season are very low, so there will be a hole to fill. POJ is going to be a very solid NHL defenseman.
Hullsy09 et Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 19 h 42
#16
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I highly doubt POJ gets moved, but I guess anything is possible. The likelihood that Dumo remains a Penguin after this season are very low, so there will be a hole to fill. POJ is going to be a very solid NHL defenseman.


I am more concerned with this year. Are we really gonna keep Smith in the AHL all year (unless injuries occur)??
10 août à 19 h 55
#17
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2018
Messages: 6,701
Mentions "j'aime": 3,096
Quoting: Marcsnack
I am more concerned with this year. Are we really gonna keep Smith in the AHL all year (unless injuries occur)??


That's why I was saying if they see he's above the AHL they'd have to clear cap space to call him up, so he's at least at the NHL level even if he isn't dressing.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
10 août à 20 h 32
#18
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2021
Messages: 206
Mentions "j'aime": 93
Quoting: Marcsnack
I personally think that he should be in the NHL, but then again I dont want someone like POJ sitting as a #7. I rather have all of them getting minutes, regardless of the league. Ideally, we deal one of Dumo/Pettersson to make space for Smith or deal one of Dumo/Pettersson with POJ and get someone like Chychrun and also open a space for Smith.


That certainly would be ideal, but it's a pipe dream. I don't like having POJ or Smith as the 7th either, but dealing one of MP/Dumo leaves our left side incredibly unproven. And we don't have the capital to aquire a guy like Chychrun. Neither MP or Dumo had much interest in the offseason, hence why Matheson is gone. POJ is good value (assuming Arizona wants him back) but the combination of the two and a first might not be enticing enough for them.
10 août à 20 h 36
#19
Démarrer sujet
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 2,448
Mentions "j'aime": 918
Quoting: Haymaker26
That certainly would be ideal, but it's a pipe dream. I don't like having POJ or Smith as the 7th either, but dealing one of MP/Dumo leaves our left side incredibly unproven. And we don't have the capital to aquire a guy like Chychrun. Neither MP or Dumo had much interest in the offseason, hence why Matheson is gone. POJ is good value (assuming Arizona wants him back) but the combination of the two and a first might not be enticing enough for them.


You would defo have to add to Dumo/POJ/1st to get Chychrun. Not sure how much more it would take or if we can compete with other teams. Another idea I had was to go for Vince Dunn.. not as good as Chychrun but still young and solid.. dont know if he is worth moving POJ for though. I would love Theodore/Hague or Hanifin, but those are pipe dreams.

It's tough.. it's either we have both MP and Dumo but live with Smith in the AHL for the year or we take a risk and hope the right side can carry the less experienced players. Regardless, I feel like next season, we will have that six so might as well bite the bullet now and hope it works.
11 août à 9 h 45
#20
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2022
Messages: 699
Mentions "j'aime": 192
Absolutely okay with it. The only other option really is forcing a POJ trade. Would much rather just let Smith play in the AHL. POJ was never given a chance due to the players ahead of him - he deserves to get regular playing time to see what he's made of
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
11 août à 10 h 26
#21
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2021
Messages: 206
Mentions "j'aime": 93
Modifié 11 août à 15 h 1
Quoting: Marcsnack
You would defo have to add to Dumo/POJ/1st to get Chychrun. Not sure how much more it would take or if we can compete with other teams. Another idea I had was to go for Vince Dunn.. not as good as Chychrun but still young and solid.. dont know if he is worth moving POJ for though. I would love Theodore/Hague or Hanifin, but those are pipe dreams.

It's tough.. it's either we have both MP and Dumo but live with Smith in the AHL for the year or we take a risk and hope the right side can carry the less experienced players. Regardless, I feel like next season, we will have that six so might as well bite the bullet now and hope it works.


I mean even if Smith starts in the AHL, injuries are common enough that he'll still see significant NHL time, and with how old our defense is, that'll be an even bigger issue for us.
I wouldn't put it past Hextall (and I think Sully would have a say in it, too) to start the season with him in WSB, bring him up as needed, and move a defenseman in November or December depending on performances. If there's any competing team whose defense is demolished by injuries, they'll have the willingness and cap from LTIR to pick someone up.
Marcsnack a aimé ceci.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Ajouter une option
Soumettre le sondage