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What your Cap Dumps will cost

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Date de création initiale: 9 août 2022
Publié: 9 août 2022
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What some people need to realize is that teams are being FORCED to shed cap. They have no other option and there are only a few teams that can take on any cap space right now.

Teams that can take on cap and do not care if that "cap dump" is a good player or not:
1. Arizona
2. Chicago
3. Buffalo
4. Anaheim

These teams are more or less tanking and will not care that much if Holl or Kerfoot are decent players and "deserve a return back to the Leafs." Anaheim or Buffalo may surprise so maybe they can take a cap dump thinking they can compete and fall into the below category.

Teams that can take on cap and may care, and give a better deal, if the player is good:
1. Detroit
2. Ottawa
3. Winnipeg

These 3 teams along with maybe 2 teams from the first category may take on a decent player for cheap and not cost much for dumping teams. (Think Bjorkstrand to Seattle or Patches to the Canes). Those trades looked like fleeces but that's the cost right now.

There are literally 0 other teams that can take on cap and most of these teams would only take on cap if the contract has 1 year left on it, any more and the price goes up quite a bit.

Also take into account that if the "cap dump" player has a NTC, the possible teams may get cut down to 1 or 2 raising the cost to dump.

Teams that need to dump cap:
1.) Pittsburg
2.) Boston (Mid-season when LTIR players return)
3.) Toronto
4.) Edmonton
5.) Vegas
6.) Florida (Mid-Season when Duclair returns)
7.) Vancouver
8.) Islanders
9.) Carolina (If Gardiner does not get bought out, but he most likely will cause the cost to dump would be too high)

Lots of teams need to dump and only a handful would be willing. The following trades show what I believe it would cost to dump players from teams that need to dump from Arizona's perspective, these may get a little more fair if a team thinking the can compete would take on a decent players contract from a cap strapped team.

All these trades are for picks and the picks can be substituted for prospects of course, but the cost to dump this off season and most likely next is going to be a gut punch to anyone that needs to dump unless you are the Tampa Bay Lightning doing cap dumps to Chicago or Nashville where the cost won't hurt too much (still hurt, but just not as much as Patches for nothing or Bjorkstrand for peanuts).

Let me know what you think! What you agree with or disagree with!
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  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
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    Pens may not have to dump since they managed the cap pretty well but if they think they need more grit and sign someone or trade for a higher cap player they would need to dump.
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      Now, I do not think Boston is going to make a trade unless they have to mid-season when McAvoy and Marchand come back and they have no other injuries. Waiting raises the risk but maybe it is one they take. Foligno is seen as an odd man out but has a 16 team NTC so he maybe only be willing to go to Ottawa or Detroit, but his cost to dump is a lot.
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        Kerfoot would cost the least to dump out of all possibilities since he is a decent player so a team like Detroit or Ottawa may take a flyer on him to improve their own teams but if he gets shipped to Arizona this would be the ask.
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          1. Foegele, Warren
          2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
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          I see a lot of Foegele trades as the odd man out and he has 2 years left on his contract so the ask would be pretty high to "dump" him.
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            1. Brossoit, Laurent
            2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
            3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
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            Doesn't need to dump much more cap with having Shea on LTIR but to have some room to make roster moves probs needs to dump a little.
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              May not need to be done til mid season but like the Boston description that is very risky.
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                1. Dickinson, Jason
                2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
                3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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                I guess they do not need to dump cause of Ferland on LTIR, but if they want some breathing room here is what it would cost.
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                  1. Gardiner, Jake
                  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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                  They probs just buy him out but heres the cost to dump.
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                    9 août 2022 à 15 h 59
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                    Nah, we’ll ride it out.

                    B’s are cap compliant burying Wags and Foligno with everyone healthy.
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                    Nah, we’ll ride it out.


                    I guess you can just bury Foligno and another player to make it work!
                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 6
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                    If Lou wants to pay to move Bailey in order to sign Kadri he should’ve been fired along with Trotz
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 7
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                    We would bury him in the minors before giving up a first. The most we are giving to dump Gardiner is a 3rd. Keep dreaming
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 10
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                    Quoting: Canesfan21_
                    We would bury him in the minors before giving up a first. The most we are giving to dump Gardiner is a 3rd. Keep dreaming


                    I know, you guys have some power since you can just buy him out so, a 1st probs too high even if its not in the stacked 2023 draft. May depend on what the Necas contract is tho.
                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 11
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                    I know, you guys have some power since you can just buy him out so, a 1st probs too high even if its not in the stacked 2023 draft. May depend on what the Necas contract is tho.


                    Most of the guys listed don’t need to be dumped. Even bailey isn’t a cap dump unless the Kadri rumors r credible.
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 12
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                    I know, you guys have some power since you can just buy him out so, a 1st probs too high even if its not in the stacked 2023 draft. May depend on what the Necas contract is tho.


                    The Necas contract is rumored to be 3M for 2 years. They can bury Gardiner and be fine. If it was 2 years it might cost a first to dump him but 1 year no way.
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                    Most of the guys listed don’t need to be dumped. Even bailey isn’t a cap dump unless the Kadri rumors r credible.


                    They seem very credible at 7x7 tbh and it doesn't matter if the player is good or not, when you are shedding cap its a dump and it will have a cost
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 13
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                    They seem very credible at 7x7 tbh and it doesn't matter if the player is good or not, when you are shedding cap its a dump and it will have a cost


                    To sign Kadri they would have to move Bailey and another player. Doesn’t seem possible unless they r also trading beau which would piss Barzal off.
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                    The Necas contract is rumored to be 3M for 2 years. They can bury Gardiner and be fine. If it was 2 years it might cost a first to dump him but 1 year no way.


                    Man that seems cheap even for a bridge, but I guess it does bridge him to when the cap should explode so maybe that is what is keeping it around 3 mil.
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                    To sign Kadri they would have to move Bailey and another player. Doesn’t seem possible unless they r also trading beau which would piss Barzal off.


                    Well Barzal is sill an RFA so maybe pissing him off doesn't matter to Lou lol
                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 15
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                    They seem very credible at 7x7 tbh and it doesn't matter if the player is good or not, when you are shedding cap its a dump and it will have a cost


                    Feels like the rest of the nhl isn’t willing to do the stupid **** Jarmo did. And if everyone asked for a first to take JVR and didn’t get it then that isn’t market value. Clearly nobody is willing to do that.
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                    Well Barzal is sill an RFA so maybe pissing him off doesn't matter to Lou lol


                    He has two years of control so that doesn’t make sense. Kadri isn’t even a fit in NY. It’s so ****ing weird tho. Idk what to say about it.
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                    Feels like the rest of the nhl isn’t willing to do the stupid **** Jarmo did. And if everyone asked for a first to take JVR and didn’t get it then that isn’t market value. Clearly nobody is willing to do that.


                    We'll see, no idea if Jarmo will be considered an idiot or smart for going first but we will see probs come training camp.
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                    He has two years of control so that doesn’t make sense. Kadri isn’t even a fit in NY. It’s so ****ing weird tho. Idk what to say about it.


                    Yeah... feel like signing Kadri pushes barzal or someone else to the wing. But I do believe that 7x7 rumor...
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                    Yeah... feel like signing Kadri pushes barzal or someone else to the wing. But I do believe that 7x7 rumor...


                    Barzal would just say No if they asked him to play center Lmao.
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                    Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
                    I know, you guys have some power since you can just buy him out so, a 1st probs too high even if its not in the stacked 2023 draft. May depend on what the Necas contract is tho.


                    Even then, it doesn’t have to be Gardiner that gets shipped. The rumored Necas deal is a 3mil x2, so it would have to be one of Gardiner or Bear that gets shipped. Canes aren’t going to pay a first to dump Gardiner, that’s just not how the FO works. If they pay anything, it’s a third rounder at most, and the Canes would consider burying him or buying him out before they will even consider spending a first. And Bear can get either a 2nd or 3rd in return, and I think Bear is more likely to be moved than Gardiner for a couple of reasons. 1) He has value and can return something decent. 2) He is cheaper and plays a value position in RHD. 3) Canes are currently overstocked with RHD, so Bear would make a lot more sense to move than Gardiner. Again, this is all assuming that Gardiner is truly able to play starting at training camp (which is still in doubt), and Necas signs the rumored 3x2 deal. That being said, if Gardiner is unable to play at the start of the season, or he prioritizes his health and retires, this whole situation is null and void.
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                    We'll see, no idea if Jarmo will be considered an idiot or smart for going first but we will see probs come training camp.


                    No one praised Lou for the Toews trade. Jarmo created this problem with the Gudbranson signing. Lou created the problem by signing Lee, Eberle, Leo and Hickey. This is the exact same situation with an even worse result lol.
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                    Quoting: Isles5513
                    Most of the guys listed don’t need to be dumped. Even bailey isn’t a cap dump unless the Kadri rumors r credible.

                    Seravalli was reporting a potential 7x7 deal between Kadri and the Isles, so I’m pretty sure it’s credible.
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 21
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                    Even then, it doesn’t have to be Gardiner that gets shipped. The rumored Necas deal is a 3mil x2, so it would have to be one of Gardiner or Bear that gets shipped. Canes aren’t going to pay a first to dump Gardiner, that’s just not how the FO works. If they pay anything, it’s a third rounder at most, and the Canes would consider burying him or buying him out before they will even consider spending a first. And Bear can get either a 2nd or 3rd in return, and I think Bear is more likely to be moved than Gardiner for a couple of reasons. 1) He has value and can return something decent. 2) He is cheaper and plays a value position in RHD. 3) Canes are currently overstocked with RHD, so Bear would make a lot more sense to move than Gardiner. Again, this is all assuming that Gardiner is truly able to play starting at training camp (which is still in doubt), and Necas signs the rumored 3x2 deal. That being said, if Gardiner is unable to play at the start of the season, or he prioritizes his health and retires, this whole situation is null and void.


                    Agreed, but will say a return for Bear wont be much if that is needed (Gardiner retires or stays on LTIR it won't be). It would probs be a 4-7th round pick and thats about it
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 22
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                    Quoting: evelutions2
                    Seravalli was reporting a potential 7x7 deal between Kadri and the Isles, so I’m pretty sure it’s credible.


                    I also saw sportsnet reporting that Miller would be an islander and that didn’t happen. I don’t c how the isles could make room for Kadri and I don’t c how it makes sense for the team. That’s all.
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                    9 août 2022 à 16 h 23
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                    Quoting: evelutions2
                    Seravalli was reporting a potential 7x7 deal between Kadri and the Isles, so I’m pretty sure it’s credible.


                    We all know Lou can’t keep a secret so I am sure the rumors r super credible lmao
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                    Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
                    Agreed, but will say a return for Bear wont be much if that is needed (Gardiner retires or stays on LTIR it won't be). It would probs be a 4-7th round pick and thats about it


                    If cap needs to be shed, then yes, if Bear is the one to go, he likely returns a little less than what he normally would.
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                    Quoting: evelutions2
                    If cap needs to be shed, then yes, if Bear is the one to go, he likely returns a little less than what he normally would.


                    He’s a cheap righty d man. I don’t think it will be an issue.
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                    Quoting: evelutions2
                    If cap needs to be shed, then yes, if Bear is the one to go, he likely returns a little less than what he normally would.


                    It’s way more likely no one is making any moves rn because if a GM gives up more than a third for someone who is worse than Bjorkstrand they will look like they r idiots. Meanwhile no one is reading firsts in a great draft to move middling contracts.
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