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Unrealistic But Are the Valuations Close

Créé par: dtd_tank
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 16 juin 2022
Publié: 17 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks again...

NO, Larkin will not actually be traded. That's just for fun to see how good my valuation is.

NO, we don't want to push back the timeline ~3 yrs as this suggests.

NO, we don't want Petry for a 2nd lol
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 100 000 $
21 500 000 $
1900 000 $
23 000 000 $
23 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
36 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
FLA
  1. Veleno, Joseph
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)
2.
DET
  1. Bernier, Jonathan
  2. Boqvist, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
  3. Mercer, Dawson
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Larkin, Dylan
Détails additionnels:
Larkin comes with 7x8 extension
3.
DET
  1. Bear, Ethan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Necas, Martin [Droits de RFA]
CAR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler (1 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Bertuzzi comes with 6x6.75 extension
4.
DET
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. Pettersson, Marcus
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Hronek, Filip
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (WSH)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $67 923 231 $0 $4 600 000 $14 576 769 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 3
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AD, C
RFA - 2
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1 460 000 $1 460 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 4
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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900 000 $900 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 34
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Mercer is non starter for Jersey and NJ has 0 need for Larkin
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 35
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Easy decline from the Devils.

Wings should get more than that for taking Bob's contract.
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 39
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I'm not going to speak on behalf of the other fans, but for Necas... I don't think the value is far off, but I think Carolina would prefer to package Necas for someone better than Bertuzzi
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 43
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New Jersey and Florida don't even consider those deals.

Carolina and Pittsburgh deals are close in my mind
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 46
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Pens decline
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 3
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Think value on Bert deal is pretty close but I’d be scared to commit long term to a guy with back problems. Would rather go after somebody else personally.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 8
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Man, oh man.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 11
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Florida won’t consider any deal that involves Lundell. Now if you switch out Lundell with Bennett, then they might listen.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 19
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I'm glad you know it is unrealistic.

I think Pittsburgh only considers if they lose Letang and can't sign a replacement like Klingberg, otherwise Hronek isn't a need.

Lundell would be awfully tempting to take on Bob's salary. Guy is good at hockey and fills a need. Florida probably views that as too much, especially since Knight wasn't quite ready last year. Bob is expensive for what he has provided them, but he was good this year and not sure who they go after that would be an upgrade. Are Kuemper and Campbell upgrades? Not really. True they would be cheaper, but Lundell on an entry contract provides them more value than Bobrovsky's overpayment subtracts. I like Veleno, but he is a replacement level player at this point, until he progresses.

Larkin trade won't happen. Value is probably about right, but neither team wants this. Devils have their centers and value Mercer highly and are probably salivating at the thought of drafting Slafkovsky or Cooley. Wings would probably prefer to re-sign Larkin to drafting Cooley.

Carolina one might be the most realistic. Bertuzzi seems like he would fit with Carolina. Clear upgrade on the wing for them. Type of guy who you would imagine would be good to have in the playoffs. Wings buy low on Necas and hope he figures out how to play center.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 20
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hard no from nj
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 24
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eval is good for Bert but the Canes wouldnt do it.

what is the Larkin to the Canes deal though?
17 juin 2022 à 12 h 40
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Devils don’t have a need for Larkin and he’s not quite the guy you move 2OA for anyway.
17 juin 2022 à 12 h 47
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Quoting: Rolfadinho
Florida won’t consider any deal that involves Lundell. Now if you switch out Lundell with Bennett, then they might listen.


There isn’t a single team in the league who won’t ask for Lundell if Bob is being moved. The Panthers made a big mistake the moment they signed Bob to that contract, and teams will make them pay for that mistake. And since in this case, his entire contract, 10mil with term, is being tossed out, it would require Lundell if the Panthers want any chance at resigning Huberdeau and Knight.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 50
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There isn’t a single team in the league who won’t ask for Lundell if Bob is being moved. The Panthers made a big mistake the moment they signed Bob to that contract, and teams will make them pay for that mistake. And since in this case, his entire contract, 10mil with term, is being tossed out, it would require Lundell if the Panthers want any chance at resigning Huberdeau and Knight.


Besides taking on Bob, I did also provide back some pieces as consolation for Lundell. I don't think it's too unfair.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 53
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Besides taking on Bob, I did also provide back some pieces as consolation for Lundell. I don't think it's too unfair.


As for the Canes trade, I like it but hate it at the same time. Value is fine, but as good a fit as Bert would be, I think the Canes should stay clear of anyone with back problems.
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17 juin 2022 à 12 h 55
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eval is good for Bert but the Canes wouldnt do it.

what is the Larkin to the Canes deal though?


Interesting question. I'm not entirely sure but my guess is it would involve Jarvis, Necas, and some kickers to go along with them.
17 juin 2022 à 13 h 0
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-If the reports are true that Florida is willing to eat money on a Bob deal, I assume it's so they can hang onto guys like Lundell and maximize their return on him (ie, they're gonna eat 4x$5M so they actually get assets back for trading him). I don't see this deal being something they want to make.

-Mercer & 2OA is just too much for the Devils to give up for a guy like Larkin - especially considering that center is their strongest lineup spot. Does Larkin push Jack Hughes or Nico Hischier to the wing? I think it's just bad value on Jersey's part.

-Value on the Bertuzzi deal seems right, the team can probably change but that's the type of package they should shoot for if they're looking to move him.

-It is hard to get a good feel for Hronek's value - I feel like this is an underpay? But I could be wrong.
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17 juin 2022 à 13 h 5
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-If the reports are true that Florida is willing to eat money on a Bob deal, I assume it's so they can hang onto guys like Lundell and maximize their return on him (ie, they're gonna eat 4x$5M so they actually get assets back for trading him). I don't see this deal being something they want to make.

-Mercer & 2OA is just too much for the Devils to give up for a guy like Larkin - especially considering that center is their strongest lineup spot. Does Larkin push Jack Hughes or Nico Hischier to the wing? I think it's just bad value on Jersey's part.

-Value on the Bertuzzi deal seems right, the team can probably change but that's the type of package they should shoot for if they're looking to move him.

-It is hard to get a good feel for Hronek's value - I feel like this is an underpay? But I could be wrong.


Another Hronek trade I tried recently was Hronek + WSH's 2nd to Dallas for Faksa + Oskar Back + 18oa. This was fairly well received where we get a serviceable vet and B-level Swedish prospect while moving up 34 spots to the middle of the 1st round. So I wouldn't say his value is super high but it's not low either considering he's been playing 22+ minutes a game for Detroit and is serviceable in all situations.
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17 juin 2022 à 13 h 12
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As for the Canes trade, I like it but hate it at the same time. Value is fine, but as good a fit as Bert would be, I think the Canes should stay clear of anyone with back problems.


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