not enough for debrincat

This is more than enough.

as a caps fan, ur paying vitek way too much

No. It's not.

LMAO no it's not even close. Chicago will want a A prospect and a 1st to even get the conversation going. A prospect that has the potential to be a franchise guy plus a 1st giving the Hawks at least 2 chances to end up with a player as valuable as Cat; a chance is not worth the same as someone who is proven elite.

Remove Tatar and insert Holtz and there is a conversation here.

So you‘re telling me that with the 2OA pick you‘re not able to draft a „ prospect that has the potential to be a franchise guy“? Maybe you should invest more into your amateur scouting then.

2OA, 2023 1st + roster player (doesn‘t necessarily have to be Tuna) is more than enough get things started.

Lol

Cat is proven elite franchise player. A CHANCE at getting one #2 OA is not equal to a proven player. Hawks are going to rightfully so want a couple chances to hit on a franchise player. Do I really need to go through all the failed top 5 picks over the years to demonstrate even the best scouts get it wrong? That's why they aren't going to trade Cat for just once lucky chance they end up with a player as good as Cat.

So, now I'm curious. Give me then a package including a "proven" player that has more value than this deal and that also makes sense for the opposing team. Other than that, what do you think how many deals start with high expectations and have to be settled for lesser value because you just don't always get what you wish for.

I'm pretty sure if Debrincat is traded within the next ouple of months it won't be for a more valuable package than this.

You realize adding Tatar has little to no value unless the Hawks can retain half his salary and flip him at the TDL? Tatar is coming off a pretty bad season in which he certainly didn't play like a $5.3M player.

Eichel; and Cat isn't headed for a major surgery with a unkown long term prognosis, isn't a year older, isn't at odds with his team and the team being forced to trade him, isn't being traded in season where very few teams can do cap gymnastics to fit in $10M, isn't carrying a $10M cap hit and isn't a UFA in 4 years. Start with that trade and realize Cat will have more interest from a lot more teams given the timing, being a RFA in another year, lower cap hit, and never been injured and not heading for a major surgery and you'll understand why he probably gets more.

I promise, no team in their right mind would take take Nemec or Cooley for Cat, a 31 year old 1 year rental that carries a $5.3M cap hit coming off a 30 point season, and another 1st that will end up being mid to late given the team you put together here...zero chance any team trades a elite young player for that.

Lol not close for patches and Hague

So thanks for confirming me by not answering my question. Well done.

Didn‘t I write „doesn‘t necessarily have to be Tuna“? I sure did. So instead of ranting about a serviceable middle six player (who does have a lower cap hit btw) give me some other options the Blackhawks could be interested in from out current roster.

It's going to take Holtz and a 1st to get the Hawks interested. Future potential value is not the same as proven elite value. Tatar is only worth what a team will pay for him at the deadline and he's not worth his contract...30 point players grow on trees in the league...a 2nd rounder at best.

"Future potential value is not the same as proven elite value." and then you want Holtz and a 1st? Dude.. I'm sorry but I can't help you.

Holtz is proven elite talent? He showed to be a ppg player in the AHL but as we all know, that often doesn't translate to the NHL. Why would the Hawks trade Cat for the #2 this draft year or Holtz? It would be absolutely crazy for them to roll the dice and think they have a lock of getting another Cat with the Holtz or the #2 thus making it senseless to move a 24 year old player for. Keep in mind, when Cat was Holtz's age he put up 28 goals in the NHL.

Dude.. you want Holtz included in the deal - not me 😂

I'm saying holtz and a 1st to get the conversation started. It gives the Hawks a couple darts to throw hoping they hit a bullseye with one or the other in return for a proven elite level player. Not sure what you're laughing at what logic you're trying to convey

Thanks for the flowers - I can give them right back to you.

Just be prepared to be disappointed when you see the return.

LMAO okay smart ass

I'm not going to be disappointed as it is highly unlikely he is traded in the next few months and if a team pries him away, it's going to be a king's ransom

Maybe a little more even, add Holtz, remove Tuna and Hawks kick in Murphy.

One 1st rd pedigree prospect, one b level prospect, a 2nd rd pick and 7m+ ni cap relief for a 17 man roster with 200k cap space isn't enough?

Fine I guess I'll just offersheet Hague then.
Goodluck matching.

Devils have no need for Murphy.
In my mind it should be either pick#2 ++ or Holtz++ , I choose the former.



I think it is.
Not that I'd want the Devils to do my suggested trade anyways.



Really? Always felt he was kinda underrated, looked good pretty much every time I've watched him and last seasons stats are encouraging.





That's not how it works when players like DeBrincat are made available.
I think someone said the same thing but a rebuilding / tanking team doesn't get a franchise player back.
They get a combination of blue chip prospects and picks.
Hawks get the chance to draft Cooley or Slafkovsky here along with another pick in what looks to be a fantastic 2023 draft class + whatever return they could swing for Tatar.
The return I suggested is plenty for DeBrincat, not that I'd actually want the Devils to go through with it irl.



It's either Holtz++ or the #2 pick++.
Hawks are certainly not getting both Holtz and #2.

Holtz and the 2023 1st is realistic IMO. Hawks are going to want a couple chances to develop a potential franchise player since they are giving up an elite one unless the Hawks are that high on Cooley or Nemec then fair enough.

Went through some older AGMs and came across these gems.
What a goldmine haha.