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Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value

Créé par: ISeeBlueHeLooks
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 24 mai 2022
Publié: 24 mai 2022
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Description
One of the biggest disagreements in the ACGMs seems to be over Tyler Bertuzzi's trade value. Most Wings fans insist it would cost an arm and a leg for a team to acquire him, while most other fan bases think they're not living in reality. The vast majority of Bertuzzi trade proposals by fans of other franchises are quickly rebuked by Wings fans with a, "Detroit declines", or a "Detroit declines, and it's not even close". That being the case I thought I might throw a bunch of Bertuzzi trade proposals out there to see if there could be some common ground found. For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:

1. Bertuzzi is a player valued highly by GMs due to his style of play and how it would translate in the playoffs. He plays a hard game along with being a talented offensive player.

2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.

3. The acquiring team goes into it with the idea of signing him to an extension so they aren't looking at it as a pure one year rental.

4. That his value lies somewhere between "three premium pieces (top prospect(s), high first round picks)" and "Kerfoot and a 2nd".

5. You have to give up value to get value. Paying for a really good player is going to hurt a little.

6. Yzerman would be fine signing him to an extension if the right deal doesn't come around.

In the end I tried to structure the proposals as either:

- a very good prospect and a mid to late first round pick
- a good prospect, a mid to late first, and a second
- two good prospects and a mid to late first
- in the case of Florida, since they have so few picks left, three good prospects and a late second.

Any of these move the needle for any side involved?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 9
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      its a bigger issue because it shows he is not willing to suck it up to win a cup. He prioritizes being selfish to winning. IDC your stance or not, but to be so stubborn that you wont get a shot to help your team win is stupid.


                      He played 68 games this year without an issue and who was confusing Detroit for a cup team?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 11
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      because youre responding to this post lmao?

                      Bertuzzi is getting a first, young player and roster player. Not an A prospect


                      He's not being traded at all. Only in your delusional fantasy land. Lmao
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 12
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      He played 68 games this year without an issue and who was confusing Detroit for a cup team?


                      so the 20 guys that go out every night arent trying to win a cup? every players is trying to win.

                      And its a distraction and kept him out of games lmao
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 14
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                      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
                      He's not being traded at all. Only in your delusional fantasy land. Lmao


                      ok and i dont want him on my team lmao? I didnt make this post, a wings fan made this. so go call him delusional in his fairy land.

                      I commented in this thread to tell the creator to not be so optimistic as it isnt happening. None of these trades COULD happen. So adios senor
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 16
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                      Genuinely curious to know what comps you're using here, or is it primarily guess work based on gut feeling that could be potentially biased based on who you cheer for? Not meant as a critique, just curious. I'm sure there are others out there that have been moved in similar circumstances.

                      When it comes to "Yes, he said he's willing to re-sign", sure, everyone typically says that, because it'd be a pretty poor PR move from both sides (Bert side: makes him look bad, Wings side: reduces leverage). Not saying that he won't be extended, because there's a reasonable chance that he is, just throwing this stuff out there into the universe.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 22
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      so the 20 guys that go out every night arent trying to win a cup? every players is trying to win.

                      And its a distraction and kept him out of games lmao


                      I didnt even remember this story until now, so it couldnt have been much of a distraction. It unnecessarily and discriminatorily* kept him out of games
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 26
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                      I like what you’ve tried to do here. I think the valuations are pretty close in a perfect world. I have a feeling that the actual returns would be underwhelming compared to these those because reality is #2) Covid is still a major uncertainty. If it wasn’t for that, I’d have to think for a bit on the Nashville proposal. I like Luke but think Burtuzzi is a better fit for Nashville’s system.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 26
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                      So I love Bert he's easy to cheer for when he's on your team. Im ok with him resigning but I think he gets dealt. I dont think hes as valuable a piece as others and if covid protocols stay he's practically immovable for a full price return. plus he's not going to be easy to sign by the look of his past negotiations. I'd take a bunch of these deals for him.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 28
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                      Quoting: Ritzy
                      At the very least, EDM and TOR say absolutely not.

                      Not sure about the rest.


                      Considering the Leafs proposal is the weakest one here and still has no chance of being offered, I think it's safe to say no one else accepts either.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 30
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                      Quoting: dtd_tank
                      You know how many times TML fans said last year that Robertson would be better than Bert this year so they wouldn't move him for Bert? Making the bet that Knies will be the same player as Bert is gambling on a few years of AM/MM/Nylander's primes hoping that this guy pans out based on his success in amateur leagues.


                      I am not that high on Robertson, I think he's going to be a fine player but I don't see him having a career in TO. He needs to be the shooter on a 2nd line and will never be that in TO. Knies though looks like a terrific player. Fast, big, shoots well, hits like a truck and has soft hands. He's going to fit nicely into the top 6 as the grinder net front guy. We don't need Bertuzzi
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 32
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                      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
                      bro I have no interest in trading Bertuzzi lmao It's hilarious how all these fans of other teams want Bert so badly yet don't want to give anything significant up lmao

                      EDIT: When did Steve Yzerman become a complete dummy? According to CFACGM users he's supposed to be fleeced in every trade and run his team into the ground.


                      Imagine being a leafs fan and seeing the endless Nylander for a bag of puck deals on this site every day. Literally every fan from every team wants him but wants to move a 40 point depth winger and a cap dump for him because "he's hated by TO".
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 35
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      so the 20 guys that go out every night arent trying to win a cup? every players is trying to win.

                      And its a distraction and kept him out of games lmao

                      Everyone in our FO loves him. Dude gives it all every night and that rubs off on the others. If that’s a “distraction” where can I get more of them?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 48
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                      Quoting: Chopper02
                      He doesn't need the vax. He had covid already which makes his immune response to it more robust anyway. It's pointless for most people under age 65.


                      Cool story, so you are an antivaxer as well. Because none of that is true at all.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 48
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      He played 68 games this year without an issue and who was confusing Detroit for a cup team?


                      Literally all the Detroit fans on here
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 56
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Literally all the Detroit fans on here


                      Hate to break it to you guys...
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 2
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      Hate to break it to you guys...


                      Break what?
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 4
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Cool story, so you are an antivaxer as well. Because none of that is true at all.


                      it is and that has been stated by the CDC. Thats how all vaccines have ever worked. The vaccine is just therapeutic, it reduces symptoms. It may help to kill the virus off a little bit faster than natural immunity, it does not stop transmission, it is not a barrier that prevents you from getting sick.
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 4
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Break what?


                      Youre not a cup team, and pretty far from it
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 5
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                      Quoting: BStinson
                      Everyone in our FO loves him. Dude gives it all every night and that rubs off on the others. If that’s a “distraction” where can I get more of them?


                      ur just a (right leaning) lmao
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 6
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      I didnt even remember this story until now, so it couldnt have been much of a distraction. It unnecessarily and discriminatorily* kept him out of games


                      yes discrimination! thats just stupid lmao. not at all how it works.
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 9
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      yes discrimination! thats just stupid lmao. not at all how it works.


                      Thats the definition...
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 11
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      Thats the definition...


                      the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

                      are vaccines race, sex or age? are they something that you are born with/without? Is not being allowed to play in a sports game that is a private business discrimination?

                      I cant say what i wanna say without breaking the rules so ill refrain from saying it, but plz know that youre saying something that starts with an a and ends in -bleist
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 12
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

                      are vaccines race, sex or age? are they something that you are born with/without? Is not being allowed to play in a sports game that is a private business discrimination?

                      I cant say what i wanna say without breaking the rules so ill refrain from saying it, but plz know that youre saying something that starts with an a and ends in -bleist


                      especially = commonly, not limited too, but nice gaslight attempt. You can easily be discriminated against for something other than something you are born with/without
                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 16
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      it is and that has been stated by the CDC. Thats how all vaccines have ever worked. The vaccine is just therapeutic, it reduces symptoms. It may help to kill the virus off a little bit faster than natural immunity, it does not stop transmission, it is not a barrier that prevents you from getting sick.


                      Good to see there are are pile covid deniers on here.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 12 h 17
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      especially = commonly, not limited too, but nice gaslight attempt


                      that doesnt change the fact that there has to be an inherent trait to be discriminated against for it to be discrimination.

                      Here is the deal. You arent changing your opinion so it does not matter. But, to say that it is discrimination puts his experience on the same level as that of the jews during the holocaust, POC in World and more specifically USA history. Women's fight for gender equality, etc.

                      The NHL is a private company and organization. They are allowed to do what they want to keep their workers safe. I am not arguing the efficacy of the vaccine to you because I really dont care to explain 8th grade biology to you. The NHL can and has done what they want. Being a women, man, black, jew, white, asian, etc are not things that can change, vax status can. So that is the difference. Ill take +10000 you dont read this entire thing but if you have, it proves that you are willing to learn, which is a good start! So have a nice life and adios
                       
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