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Habs Trade Back From 3

Créé par: Chapee44
Équipe: 2022-23 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 4 mai 2022
Publié: 4 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Saw a Habs fan talking about trading back from 3 so now I wanna try it out.
Starting Krebs in the AHL as his underlyings have been poor and he needs to work on his in zone play. Transitionally he is a stud and is one of the best passers I've ever seen but I think he would benefit from some seasoning. Would be a quick callup if needed for injuries etc.
Draft:
3-Simon Nemec
9-Frank Nazar/Jonathan Lekkerimakki
28-Noah Ostlund/Alexander Perevalov
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
11 000 000 $
55 000 000 $
44 110 731 $
21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 500 000 $
28 000 000 $
37 000 000 $
11 500 000 $
14 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Nemec, Simon
3925 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Middleton, Jake4 110 731 $
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023
Transactions
1.
BUF
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Used The Athletic's Draft Pick Value Chart.
3-10.2
16-4.7
41-2.0
2023 VGK 2nd-1.2ish
Johnson(31)-2.8
MTL
  1. Johnson, Ryan [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (VGK)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (BUF)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Slight overpay (0.5GSVA) for a premium asset by the math.
2.
BUF
  1. Luostarinen, Eetu [Droits de RFA]
FLA
  1. Bryson, Jacob [Droits de RFA]
3.
BUF
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
CGY
4.
BUF
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
VGK
5.
BUF
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (NSH)
NSH
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni (2 500 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Enfoui
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2022
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2023
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Logo de PHI
Logo de CGY
Logo de BUF
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $79 307 398 $0 $2 707 500 $3 192 602 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 8
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 3
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
855 833 $855 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
AG, AD
RFA - 3
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
825 000 $825 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
G
UFA - 5
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
916 667 $916 667 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Nemec, Simon
925 000 $925 000 $
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
UFA
4 110 731 $4 110 731 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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4 mai 2022 à 13 h 21
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That goalie tandem is a pipe dream. That Nichushkin contract might be the worst idea ever.
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I can see them trading back to 9, cant see them trading back to 16. Personally I would only trade up for a center.
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4 mai 2022 à 13 h 24
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That goalie tandem is a pipe dream. That Nichushkin contract might be the worst idea ever.


I know about the goalies but I'm gonna keep dreaming lol
Why do you not like Nichushkin?
4 mai 2022 à 13 h 25
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Quoting: sabres89
I can see them trading back to 9, cant see them trading back to 16. Personally I would only trade up for a center.


That would be cheaper but the idea of Nemec and Nazar is soooo tantalizing lol
4 mai 2022 à 13 h 26
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and thats why the athletic chart (and all pick chart tried in the past) is complete garbage. they undervalue so much high picks.
4 mai 2022 à 13 h 27
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Ya that makes 0 sense for the habs.

Right out of the gate Ryan Johnson has no appeal for the habs. Romanov and Guhle are miles ahead of him and theres Edmundson Harris Struble Norlinder etc in the fold. Doesnt move the needle.

Next problem. Its one thing to move from 3 to say 6 or 7 but 16th is multiple player tiers away. The habs have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league and 10 picks in the first 4 rounds. They dont need volume they need top end players. It doesnt fit a need.
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4 mai 2022 à 13 h 31
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Montreal is NOT trading back from 3rd, we need C's and RD and both can be drafted in the top 3. IF we did trade back it would be somewhere inside the top 6 so we can still draft Jiricek or Nemec, unless you are willing to send a top 6 C prospect or top 2 RHD prospect back in the package.
4 mai 2022 à 13 h 46
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and thats why the athletic chart (and all pick chart tried in the past) is complete garbage. they undervalue so much high picks.


Even by that chart its a really bad trade for Montreal. The hard rule is that if you're trading quantity for quality, the aggregate value has to exceed the quality.
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4 mai 2022 à 14 h 0
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Can't see the Habs trading down further than the top 10, especially in a draft taking place in Montréal.

I don't understand all these crazy scenarios from my peers - don't trade down, don't trade it for Dubois, don't trade it for Lafrenière, just... draft with your pick.
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4 mai 2022 à 14 h 14
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Quoting: Burnout
Even by that chart its a really bad trade for Montreal. The hard rule is that if you're trading quantity for quality, the aggregate value has to exceed the quality.


well, i guess the chart is not there if to tell you its a good trade or not, just that the thing your are trading for has equal value, but i see your point.
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4 mai 2022 à 14 h 15
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Can't see the Habs trading down further than the top 10, especially in a draft taking place in Montréal.

I don't understand all these crazy scenarios from my peers - don't trade down, don't trade it for Dubois, don't trade it for Lafrenière, just... draft with your pick.


montreal fans are allergir to rebuilds i believe. i 110% agree with you.
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4 mai 2022 à 14 h 38
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Quoting: Chapee44
I know about the goalies but I'm gonna keep dreaming lol
Why do you not like Nichushkin?


I do not mind him as a player but he's not worth 7 million. He's scored 30% of his career points this year. I think this is more of a getting fat on a good team then him being a break out player.
4 mai 2022 à 14 h 45
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Quoting: puckhead6130
I do not mind him as a player but he's not worth 7 million. He's scored 30% of his career points this year. I think this is more of a getting fat on a good team then him being a break out player.


Okay. He's always had really good underlying metrics so I see it more as him having a breakout year. He does have 10th overall pedigree and is only 27 so I'd be willing to give him that on short term considering our cap space. Defensively he is fantastic and opens the ice for linemates to take chances too.
4 mai 2022 à 14 h 54
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I disagree about Krebs. He is ready for the NHL. He will learn and develop best playing at the top level, not in the AHL. Also I think UPL should be the backup next season so long as he is healthy. I really like Nichushkin, but I'd hesitate to give him 3 years at 7mil. Maybe 1 year at that AAV or like 5.5 mil for 3 years. I think a team will overpay him, just don't want that to be us unless its a 1 year deal
4 mai 2022 à 16 h 30
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What about your first, FLA's first and Josh Bloom, it's an underpay as per the Athletic value so I assume you'll accept? wink
5 mai 2022 à 11 h 23
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What about your first, FLA's first and Josh Bloom, it's an underpay as per the Athletic value so I assume you'll accept? wink


Honestly not a bad offer...
Especially if we're 100% sold on Nemec...
The beauty of having all the draft capital and prospects is that we can make sure we get "our guys".
Always nice to have more darts for a better chance of finding your target, but at the end of the day, top 3 picks have a much higher percentage of hitting.
A pick with a 99% chance of producing a "quality" NHLer versus two picks with a 78% chance and a 30% chance respectively? (per Dobber)
Again, it seems crazy but it's not when you look at the numbers.
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I disagree about Krebs. He is ready for the NHL. He will learn and develop best playing at the top level, not in the AHL. Also I think UPL should be the backup next season so long as he is healthy. I really like Nichushkin, but I'd hesitate to give him 3 years at 7mil. Maybe 1 year at that AAV or like 5.5 mil for 3 years. I think a team will overpay him, just don't want that to be us unless its a 1 year deal


I was thinking this way for a long time this season. Still do to an extent. Just wanted to try it with the reasoning.
I also think Peterka needs to be in the NHL next season with his exceptional transition play and us being a rush team.
6 mai 2022 à 14 h 23
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Quoting: Chapee44
I was thinking this way for a long time this season. Still do to an extent. Just wanted to try it with the reasoning.
I also think Peterka needs to be in the NHL next season with his exceptional transition play and us being a rush team.


Peterka will be in the NHL next year, I don't know if he starts the season with us or is the 1st call-up when an injury occurs then sticks around the rest of the season with the Sabres
 
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