That is a monster, I would see if the Vegas pick would do it. That will be 16 or better

Not better, it's 16 or they get it back. So we probably can't move it until the lottery (although, what do I know, maybe the league allows you to move the pick with conditions, with the understanding that it might be next years pick).

Sorry quick edit- just realized you meant maybe they could be passed by Vancouver, but I don't think Vancouver can overtake them.

I can't see Winnipeg doing this one, value simply isn't there. Dubois is the best player in this trade, if Winnipeg were to trade him, if would be a quality > quantity package. I also think there is next to zero chance that Winnipeg deals Dubois.

Ita fine to want to keep a player. But also to think this isn't valuable enough for PLD Is outrageous. That's 3 Firsts a 2nd, and at the very least a flyer on a solid college tendy.
I think the most valuable piece in this trade is the top 10 pick

Just because Ryan Johnson & Casey Mittelstadt were picked in the 1st round doesn't mean they automatically have more value...Mittelstadt has a career high of 25 points. Ryan Johnson was picked 31st overall and might turn into a 5-6 Defenceman at most. I would personally much rather have PLD than the 9th overall pick in this draft. That's just my opinion, but I can't see myself being in the minority there.

No reason for Winnipeg to do this deal, unless they go full rebuild mode here.

About to say this...

You aren't a minority.

Two prospects who are unsigned. Mittlestadt is also injury prone and like you said has only had a career high of 25 points and is the main piece of this deal.

PLD is 23 and has already scored 20 goals three times in his career, plays with an edge, and has been relatively healthy throughout his career. Includehigherr end prospects or NHL ready forwards like Krebs, or Cozens then maybe we can talk.

Agreed!

My guess is that Dubois is one of four players that the Jets will want to build around so nothing but a massive overpay would get him traded, on the other hand I think Jets fans are dreaming about trade value of players like Scheifele and Wheeler

Certainly I understand your want/need to retain PLD. But let's imagine DeMelo is worth the two prospects and Middlestadt. Then by this trade let's say 9th and 40th overall for PLD. But the Jets would also get 8.25m in immediate cap space by not having PLD. Couldn't the Jets get a good centre on the UFA for 8.25m and have those picks too? Just saying you can't really look at the pieces involved in the trade, it's the immediate cap space that can be used improve the team, in this case the Jets.
It's kinda why I like the Eichel trade for Buffalo. They got a good RW at 4.75m in Tuch, and a young centre Cozens plus 5.25m in cap space (not the Sabres need it right now), but it's available to make a good acquisition.

The Jets aren't trading Dubois, but if they were a low value quantity package like this wouldn't be in the running. The only piece with any significant value is the 1st and the remainder is just filler that does nothing for Winnipeg.

Not sure what fans are thinking for Wheels but the only way we get decent value is if we retain on him. He is almost a cap dump at his full value. As for Scheifele, yes he had two bad defensive years(obv something with the coaches) but he has had 7 straight years on being at a point per game or better. Not many players currently have that. Scheifele has a ton of value

Like I said there is nothing wrong with keeping a proven player. Happens all the time. But this package is more than valuable enough.
PLD has been middling at best in WPG playing next to a top 5-10 winger.

You have absolutely no indication that R. Johnson is gonna be 5-6 at best. I would say his numbers indicate he will be 5-6 dman at worst.
Your cherry picking mitts numbers as he hasn't been healthy the past 2 years (which is certainly its own. Knock against him) but not because he isn't productive when healthy.

And even on top of that you still get 9OA and a 2nd rounder.

This trade. asset wise is skewed heavily in favor of WPG.

Disagree about Scheifele, he has shown that if he is unhappy he is going to give subpar effort (his mood put the Jets out of the playoffs in MHO), unless his terrible defense can be proven to be connected to a healable injury I don't want him, maybe he doesn't like the new city or the coach, or he thinks his salary isn't enough, or he doesn't like his linemates or the fans don't cheer loud enough - I heard his disinterested play is because he didn't think himself and Wheeler were getting enough respect - as a Sabres fan I found it's hard to have enough talent to overcome a bad attitude.

In theory the Jets could get a first line center with the cap space, but in reality it would be very difficult because their have been various anonymous polls from players that state Winnipeg isn't an attractive destination for free agents. No big name free agent has signed there, and unless the team becomes a perennial contender that's unlikely to change. If any PLD trade happens you would need a top prospect, likely from Canada who expresses desire to build a life there.

I agree with you Winnipeg (not necessarily the Jets) is not desirable place to play. Arizona and Phoenix have the worse travel schedule. Especially for most Americans and even some Canadians the winters are perceived as brutal, The good news for some called "undesirable" teams is so many teams are near the cap, and UFAs need a home and payday.

Another one? https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/jason-kasdorf