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Date de création initiale: 28 mars 2022
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    To Minnesota fans, please listen, that Fiala will not get you a blue chip prospect and a very high first round pick because teams will take advantage of you're cap space and will offer below market value knowing you can't keep him. Also I think that you're overating Fiala as even though he has got really high point totals in you're mock trades you're asking for players like Josh Norris, Brown, Brannstromm, plus picks (I've seen that in trade machine) all of whom are established NHLers. I get while Fiala is a great player he is not even projected to be a point per game player for the rest of this season with projections being at 76 points. So, what I think Fiala will get is a good prospect but not blue chip, so maybe a B to A- range and a high but not first round pick because teams will take advantage of MInnesota's cap crunch. As even if you qualify him teams still have to pony up to trade for him and if that doesn't happen then, well, you're stuck. These are some trades that I could see happening.
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    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 42
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    Minnesota can keep Fiala. It will be hard but if all else falls we can take him to arbitration. Plus, if teams (notice that there are multiple teams) are making offers for Fiala, it drives his price up.

    Reinhart got a 1st and a prospect. Fiala is arguably a better player than Reinhart was at the moment he was traded. Minnesota won't trade Fiala on a discount.
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    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 48
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    Minnesota can keep Fiala. It will be hard but if all else falls we can take him to arbitration. Plus, if teams (notice that there are multiple teams) are making offers for Fiala, it drives his price up.

    Reinhart got a 1st and a prospect. Fiala is arguably a better player than Reinhart was at the moment he was traded. Minnesota won't trade Fiala on a discount.


    Not really Fiala is projected to have 28 goals in 82 games whereas Reinhart had 25 goals in 52 games and had no help where Fiala is routinely exposed to Kaprizov, Zuccerello, Hartman, and now Reinhart with a lot more help is PPG player with very similar but better stats than FIala. He will get around the value in that trade. Also if he goes to arbitration Guerin loses full controle so I think he will make a move before that.
    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 50
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    Minnesota can keep Fiala. It will be hard but if all else falls we can take him to arbitration. Plus, if teams (notice that there are multiple teams) are making offers for Fiala, it drives his price up.

    Reinhart got a 1st and a prospect. Fiala is arguably a better player than Reinhart was at the moment he was traded. Minnesota won't trade Fiala on a discount.


    But in all seriousness I think he is overated but I don't want to keep seeing players like Norris, Brannstromm, Pinto, Sanderson, Hoglander, unprotected top ten picks, and such included because that won't happen. I just want a resonable trade that is similar to the Reinhart deal cause they are similar players.
    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 50
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    Generally agree here. Thinking value in terms of Buchnevic. I think Fiala is a little better even so Wild probably get a little more, but WIld also have less leverage
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    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 51
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    Generally agree here. Thinking value in terms of Buchnevic. I think Fiala is a little better even so Wild probably get a little more, but WIld also have less leverage


    Or Reinhart cause I looked up their stat lines and their very similar in that Reinhart had a breakout year last year and Fiala is having one this year and they are very close in point totals for this and the previous seasons.
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    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 51
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    So based on your valuation, your offer would be something like JBD and a 2nd round pick for a near PPG winger that can drive a line. While I agree there is no way he is getting Norris, Guerin isn't going to give him away for peanuts.
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    28 mars 2022 à 9 h 54
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    So based on your valuation, your offer would be something like JBD and a 2nd round pick for a near PPG winger that can drive a line. While I agree there is no way he is getting Norris, Guerin isn't going to give him away for peanuts.


    I agree but I think that Sam Reinhart trade is a good trade to look at because if you consider everything about their point totals and the way they play Reinhart was a very valuable player going into arbitration on a team that wasn't in a cap crunch and he was also a center which ups his value and he was only traded for a late first and a pretty good goaltending prospect which probably equates to a good prospect and a early second and another late pick.
    28 mars 2022 à 10 h 19
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    2023 1st top 10 protected + one of jarventie or sokolov is something i can see
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    28 mars 2022 à 10 h 20
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    Quoting: StephL05
    2023 1st top 10 protected + one of jarventie or sokolov is something i can see


    Ottawa won't be trading first so no thanks.
    28 mars 2022 à 10 h 32
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    Ottawa won't be trading first so no thanks.


    It's not too far fetched. Specially if there is a condition on it. I would absolutely do a 2023 1st with top 10 protection and Jarventie for Fiala. That is an instant upgrade over anything we have on the LW next to Tkachuk.

    The other scenario is Formenton, JBD and a 2nd. Which would you rather.
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    28 mars 2022 à 10 h 47
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    Okay.. you gotta chill. Like calm down. If Minnesota fans want this much, then so be it. Doesn’t mean you have to trade with them. There are plenty of other fish in the sea. It went from crazy habs fans, to Minnesota overvaluers to busting rangers. Just because they think differently, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. You don’t have to get that upset about it.. it’s okay. Just target one of Konecny, Boeser, or Garland if you don’t think you can do a Fiala trade.
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    28 mars 2022 à 12 h 40
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    But in all seriousness I think he is overated but I don't want to keep seeing players like Norris, Brannstromm, Pinto, Sanderson, Hoglander, unprotected top ten picks, and such included because that won't happen. I just want a resonable trade that is similar to the Reinhart deal cause they are similar players.


    Norris, Pinto, Sanderson and Ottawa 1st round pick in 2022 should not be on the table for many players...

    Sanderson in particular, it would only be for players that teams have ZERO intention to trade.

    So people have been asking for Norris? Well, I wouldn't do Norris for Fiala, that's for sure.
    28 mars 2022 à 12 h 42
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    It's not too far fetched. Specially if there is a condition on it. I would absolutely do a 2023 1st with top 10 protection and Jarventie for Fiala. That is an instant upgrade over anything we have on the LW next to Tkachuk.

    The other scenario is Formenton, JBD and a 2nd. Which would you rather.


    Now that's more doable

    Formenton, JBD and a 2nd is also doable but damn I'd hate to see these 2 go, particularly Forms
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    28 mars 2022 à 13 h 5
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    Minnesota can keep Fiala. It will be hard but if all else falls we can take him to arbitration. Plus, if teams (notice that there are multiple teams) are making offers for Fiala, it drives his price up.

    Reinhart got a 1st and a prospect. Fiala is arguably a better player than Reinhart was at the moment he was traded. Minnesota won't trade Fiala on a discount.


    They’re like the exact same player. Like i can’t think of a more similar comparison
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    28 mars 2022 à 13 h 8
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    They’re like the exact same player. Like i can’t think of a more similar comparison


    Yeah, look at their point totals, you could even argue that Reinhart was better cause he has/had no help in Buffalo and is a PPG player in Florida.
    28 mars 2022 à 13 h 28
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    Now that's more doable

    Formenton, JBD and a 2nd is also doable but damn I'd hate to see these 2 go, particularly Forms


    Forms and JBD are also "expendable" assets, in a sense. Thomson, you can argue, is ahead of JBD in terms of development and should slide into the lineup next year full-time. Formenton is a good player now and has the capability of turning into a Kreider-lite, but with the addition of Joseph, it makes Formenton a little redundant. I would not be opposed to them staying either. It makes for a dangerous top-9.
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    Forms and JBD are also "expendable" assets, in a sense. Thomson, you can argue, is ahead of JBD in terms of development and should slide into the lineup next year full-time. Formenton is a good player now and has the capability of turning into a Kreider-lite, but with the addition of Joseph, it makes Formenton a little redundant. I would not be opposed to them staying either. It makes for a dangerous top-9.


    Keep Formenton, he is an NHLer but I would trade Thompson because JBD has insane chemistry with a lot of people in the Ottawa system.
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    28 mars 2022 à 13 h 38
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    Keep Formenton, he is an NHLer but I would trade Thompson because JBD has insane chemistry with a lot of people in the Ottawa system.


    No disagreement from me here.

    I would do Forms for Fiala 1 for 1...
    28 mars 2022 à 14 h 58
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    Quoting: Green4D4
    Forms and JBD are also "expendable" assets, in a sense. Thomson, you can argue, is ahead of JBD in terms of development and should slide into the lineup next year full-time. Formenton is a good player now and has the capability of turning into a Kreider-lite, but with the addition of Joseph, it makes Formenton a little redundant. I would not be opposed to them staying either. It makes for a dangerous top-9.


    Forms + PK = Short handed goals, you do not trade such players in their primes, also i would not trade Either RD prospects, after Zub still need 2 RD and OTT has no one better than Thompson and JBD in the minors in fact their only other RD prospect was a 7th round selection....bad idea to trade either of JBD or Thompson.

    Joseph is not even close to being as good as Formenton.
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    28 mars 2022 à 17 h 19
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    Quoting: Green4D4
    Forms and JBD are also "expendable" assets, in a sense. Thomson, you can argue, is ahead of JBD in terms of development and should slide into the lineup next year full-time. Formenton is a good player now and has the capability of turning into a Kreider-lite, but with the addition of Joseph, it makes Formenton a little redundant. I would not be opposed to them staying either. It makes for a dangerous top-9.


    Agree with everything but Joseph doesn't make Formenton a little redundant. I'd much much rather keep Formenton than Joseph and he has significantly more value too. Joseph is a plus skater but Formenton is an ELITE skater, he's literally on McDavid/Larkin level.

    ideally, Joseph is a 4th liner on a contender, Forms is a 3rd liner, 1st PK type
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    29 mars 2022 à 11 h 32
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    Forms + PK = Short handed goals, you do not trade such players in their primes, also i would not trade Either RD prospects, after Zub still need 2 RD and OTT has no one better than Thompson and JBD in the minors in fact their only other RD prospect was a 7th round selection....bad idea to trade either of JBD or Thompson.

    Joseph is not even close to being as good as Formenton.


    To be fair to the seventh rounder he is pretty close to NHL playing time and has been really good in the minors. It'll be interesting to see if he gets a call up this season.
     
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