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Créé par: NHLfan10506

Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 4 mars 2022

Publié: 4 mars 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Ever notice how signing rights to Russian prospects are *never* traded? Hard to get a sense of how they are valued since there are no comps to use. On one hand, there is a ton of risk with the Russian prospects, but in the other hand, a lot of that risk is mitigated by signing rights that never expire.

So I am curious, what would be the realistic ask on these players? Do you think they are too discounted? Might it be a good time to start collecting their rights? Is there a strategy that could be developed here?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE	ANS	CAP HIT
Marchenko, Kirill	3	925 000 $
Rashevsky, Dmitri	3	925 000 $
Morozov, Ivan	3	925 000 $
Vorobyov, Ivan	3	925 000 $
Kirsanov, Kirill	3	925 000 $
Voronkov, Dmitri	3	925 000 $
Khusnutdinov, Marat	3	925 000 $
Gritsyuk, Arseni	3	925 000 $
Bardakov, Zakhar	3	925 000 $

Transactions

NJD

Marchenko, Kirill [Liste de réserve]

CBJ

NJD

Rashevsky, Dmitri [Liste de réserve]

WPG

NJD

Morozov, Ivan [Liste de réserve]

VGK

NJD

Vorobyov, Ivan [Liste de réserve]

STL

NJD

Kirsanov, Kirill [Liste de réserve]

LAK

NJD

Voronkov, Dmitri [Liste de réserve]

CBJ

NJD

Khusnutdinov, Marat [Liste de réserve]

MIN

NJD

Adding our guys too

NSH

Gritsyuk, Arseni
Bardakov, Zakhar

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Will Butcher: 910 569 $ (24.39%)

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	61 852 235 $	0 $	3 732 500 $	19 647 765 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Sharangovich, Yegor 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2	Hughes, Jack 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) C UFA - 1	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 3
Zacha, Pavel 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
	Boqvist, Jesper 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AG RFA - 1	Tatar, Tomas 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	McLeod, Michael 975 000 $975 000 $ C RFA - 2	Bastian, Nathan 825 000 $825 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Vesey, Jimmy 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Graves, Ryan 3 166 667 $3 166 667 $ DG UFA - 2	Severson, Damon 4 166 666 $4 166 666 $ DD UFA - 2	Daws, Nico 850 833 $850 833 $ (82 500 $$82K) G RFA - 3
Siegenthaler, Jonas 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 7	Gillies, Jon 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Smith, Ty 863 333 $863 333 $ (400 000 $$400K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Subban, P.K. 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Jaros, Christian 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Bernier, Jonathan 4 125 000 $4 125 000 $ G UFA - 2
White, Colton 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 1		Wood, Miles 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG UFA - 1
Geertsen, Mason 725 000 $725 000 $ AG, DG UFA - 1		Kuokkanen, Janne 1 825 000 $1 825 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2
		Thompson, Tyce 912 500 $912 500 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD RFA - 1
		Blackwood, Mackenzie 2 800 000 $2 800 000 $ G UFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Bardakov, Zakhar 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C RFA
Gritsyuk, Arseni 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG RFA
Khusnutdinov, Marat 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C RFA
Marchenko, Kirill 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD RFA
Morozov, Ivan 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C RFA
Kirsanov, Kirill 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG RFA
Rashevsky, Dmitri 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD RFA
Vorobyov, Ivan 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C RFA
Voronkov, Dmitri 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, C, AD RFA

4 mars 2022 à 11 h 29

xercuses

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As a blues fan I didn’t even know this guy existed so idk
We have so many Russian prospects rn

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4 mars 2022 à 11 h 30

csick

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I wanted to ask you about this but with Miroshnichenko missing all of next year most likely, do u think he slides into the 2nd round?

4 mars 2022 à 11 h 31

FilthyMitts05

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Im thinking a late first could get Marchenko LMK if im wrong

4 mars 2022 à 11 h 32

BJ_Lover

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Quoting: FilthyMitts05

Im thinking a late first could get Marchenko LMK if im wrong

Late first would not get Marchenko. Expected to play middle 6 next year and expect him to be a top 6 for sure. he's a guy they have loved since he was drafted

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4 mars 2022 à 11 h 46

GoHabsGo99

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Quoting: csick

I wanted to ask you about this but with Miroshnichenko missing all of next year most likely, do u think he slides into the 2nd round?

BUF takes him with the VGK or FLA pick i think

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 2

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Quoting: csick

I wanted to ask you about this but with Miroshnichenko missing all of next year most likely, do u think he slides into the 2nd round?

No, I think he still goes in 1st round.

(now if you asked all 32 teams to submit their draft lists, he would probably drop on an 'average rank' but all you need is one team to take him 1st)

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 3

RonaldBilius

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Quoting: FilthyMitts05

Im thinking a late first could get Marchenko LMK if im wrong

lol no

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 4

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: FilthyMitts05

Im thinking a late first could get Marchenko LMK if im wrong

Seems about right to me...Marchenko isn't getting a ton of minutes this year, but I could still see that gamble.

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 5

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Quoting: GoHabsGo99

BUF takes him with the VGK or FLA pick i think

A team with two 1sts would be good call.

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 7

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BatVader

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As a Jets fan, I’ll start by saying….WHoTF is Rashevsky?

4 mars 2022 à 12 h 12

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Quoting: BatVader

As a Jets fan, I’ll start by saying….WHoTF is Rashevsky?

Probably your best scoring prospect not named Perfetti.
And his highlights are easy in the eyes.
Would look him up when you have the chance.

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 14

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dopplsan

Nah.

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Marchenko is definitely a 1st+, if not 1st++. CBJ are very high on his potential. Naturally gifted W who was a projected 1st rounder his draft year. Stock only fell because teams knew he was going to stay in Russia for a time. He'll be with CBJ by the end of the season.

Vornonkov would be a 1st+ as well. He projects as a big, physical, defensive minded natural-center, probably 3C. with some potential for 2C if things break his way. They see him as Boone Jenner 2.0, basically.

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 16

#13

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Probably your best scoring prospect not named Perfetti.
And his highlights are easy in the eyes.
Would look him up when you have the chance.

Will do… thanks

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 24

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RonaldBilius

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Seems about right to me...Marchenko isn't getting a ton of minutes this year, but I could still see that gamble.

not close at all for Marchenko. The reason why Marhcenko is not playing is because hes coming to NA next season. Its a common thing in Russia and exceptionally in SKA that if you are leaving the team, you wont get any ice time.

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 25

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RonaldBilius

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Quoting: RonaldBilius

Same thing with Podkolzin. He did not get any ice time because he was leaving...

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4 mars 2022 à 12 h 57

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Quoting: RonaldBilius

Same thing with Podkolzin. He did not get any ice time because he was leaving...

I think you are overthinking it.
They are just putting together lineups to win games.
Plenty of young guys still getting playing time.
And Podkolzin was getting regular minutes right up until the end.

4 mars 2022 à 13 h 14

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RonaldBilius

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

no, am not. I have been following KHL for about six years and its always the same thing and exceptionally in SKA. If a young prospect is leaving he wont play big minutes. Marchenko played in the first line in the EHT tournament but he plays on the 4th line or WHL with SKA. And right after when Jarmo said that Marchenko is coming to NA, his minutes dropped.

And tell me one player from SKA that is getting playing time. None. And podkolzin played the same amount of minutes as Marchenko.

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4 mars 2022 à 13 h 21

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I have been following him closely as he is considered one of the top prospects the Jackets have. He is always mentioned in a similar breath to Kent Johnson as they are expected to hit the NHL at the same time. He had his minutes dramatically slashed when he announced he was leaving after the season. It is certainly a 1st + at minimum I would have to think

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4 mars 2022 à 13 h 26

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Quoting: RonaldBilius

Podkolzin played every game in playoffs last year.
Marchenko is out of lineup.

Marat got more TOI
As did Bardakov, Morozov

4 mars 2022 à 13 h 30

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Podkolzin played every game in playoffs last year.
Marchenko is out of lineup.

Marat got more TOI
As did Bardakov, Morozov

Even if you think his lack of minutes is performance related (its not) the price is still the same

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4 mars 2022 à 13 h 39

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RonaldBilius

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Podkolzin played every game in playoffs last year.
Marchenko is out of lineup.

Marat got more TOI
As did Bardakov, Morozov

Is Marat or Bardakov coming to NA next season? no. and there's the reason. Marchenko got big minutes too after he got drafted, but when he said that hes going to leave, his minutes dropped. Podkolzin is a good point but yeah...

But cbj is not trading him for a first round pick, when we have been waiting for him for about three years.

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4 mars 2022 à 13 h 44

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Quoting: BJ_Lover

Even if you think his lack of minutes is performance related (its not) the price is still the same

Quoting: RonaldBilius

Minutes may get cut during regular season.
But during playoffs, they will usually just take the best 12-13 forwards they got.

Also, he got Covid in China.

I still think he'll still be great when he gets here either way.
I am a proponent of his.

(but if they are going to bench him for playoffs...might as well cut him loose and let him play out season in Columbus. #FreeKirill)

4 mars 2022 à 13 h 54

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dopplsan

Nah.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Podkolzin played every game in playoffs last year.
Marchenko is out of lineup.

Marat got more TOI
As did Bardakov, Morozov

Quoting: BJ_Lover

Even if you think his lack of minutes is performance related (its not) the price is still the same

Quoting: RonaldBilius

Kid had an 11-5-16 line through the first 26 games of the season. Reports then came out he declined a contract extension, and was sent down to the VHL.

Conspicuously hasn't been able to get off the fourth line ever since. It's a bummer. It's petty. And I don't doubt it has an effect on these kids' ability to develop.

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4 mars 2022 à 14 h 47

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What others have said KHL is vindictive against players leaving

4 mars 2022 à 16 h 38

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I suspect the Jets will need Rashevsky (22yrs old in October) in an ELC to be productive while staying cap compliant in the future. I thought he would come over after his season at Dynamo Moscow was over or maybe in the fall, but who knows what happens now against the current backdrop.

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