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Créé par: Shire

Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2022

Publié: 14 févr. 2022

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These are NOT my ideas, just trying to see thoughts on here.

My thoughts:
1. Blues are definitely overpaying for Chiarot, I think he nets us a 1st without anything else and I would not mind retaining for that.

2. I do not know much about Henriksson so please tell me how he is, but I would expect Lehkonen to either net a 1st + decent prospect, or Lundkvist/Kravstov 1-for-1.

3. Sure, go for it, we do not really need Allen in a rebuild although I would've liked that 2nd + 3rd back, which could be possible knowing the unpredictability of these deadlines.

4. I put Kulak's value at a 5th, so sure yea wont hurt to get a 4th instead.

5. I am not sure if Ryan Suzuki can pan out to be a 1st round talent, im sure this is up to debate but I think it would be better to have Seth Jarvis with the 2 2nd or Ryan Suzuki with 1 1st + 1 2nd/3rd.

6. I couldn't care what we get for Petry, he clearly does not want to be here and I would be happy if management traded him for a bag of foam pucks and 5 traffic cones during the middle of a game out of disrespect.

7. I would not mind a 2nd instead of the 1st here, but that contract does look atrocious.

Lines:

The lines they suggest look like they might work in Chel Be a GM, but in an actual setting, we do need Pezzetta and I could see him being part of the long time future for us. I also think that Caufield should be put on the 1st line with Drouin/Suzuki.

Drouin/Suzuki/Caufield
Anderson/Dvorak/Gallagher
Hoffman/Evans/Pitlick
Pezzetta/Poehling/Kostin
Byron/Weatherby

Romanov/Wideman
Edmundson/Clague
Vlasic/Savard
Niku

Heres the source for what he said: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZxOfnGuW4v/
Im sure theres a twitter link, but I would rather avoid twitter hehe

Transactions

MTL

Kostin, Klim
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (STL)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (STL)

Détails additionnels:

"I know a lot of people have different opinions on Ben Chiarot, and while I understand that the return he's going to net at the deadline is insane, he's also the type of player who thrives in the postseason, so it might be worth it for a condenter.
The Canadiens get a 2022 1st, a young player who needs a change of scenery, and another late pick, while the Blues add a defenseman that they desperately need."

STL

Chiarot, Ben

MTL

Henriksson, Karl
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

"Reports are saying that Artturi Lehkonen is one of the most desired names on the trade market, and for that reason the Canadiens HAVE to move him. I expect a handful of teams to pursue him, but I think the best fit is the Rangers. They'll have no problem giving up a 2022 2nd and a prospect to add to their depth for a playoff run."

NYR

Lehkonen, Artturi

MTL

Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

"It's hard to see Jake Allen's true trade value, but I think this is about considering how deep the goaltending trade market is. The Canadiens don't really need him anymore considering their rebuild stance, so might as well take a mid-round pick from a desperate oilers team and that's looking for an answer in net."

EDM

Allen, Jake

MTL

Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (LAK)

Détails additionnels:

"Kind of just a minor trade, but I think Brett Kulak is a solid depth add to the blue line on any playoff team. He's a pending UFA and won't be back next season, so the Canadiens will likely move him. Los Angeles seems like a solid fit considering they're looking for some defensive help."

LAK

Kulak, Brett

MTL

Suzuki, Ryan
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

"Toffoli has term on his contract, so this isnt't a move that HAS to happen, but I think it should considering the Canadiens should be planning to rebuild. Reports have said the Hurricanes badly want to win and are willing to trade for virtually any impact player, so I think Toffoli is a fit. He'll help replace the hole that Niederreiter leaves in the offseason, and he's for sure an upgrade over him. For the Canadiens, they basically net a first round pick (Ryan Suzuki) and two second round picks. Plus you have to get the brothers together."

CAR

Toffoli, Tyler

MTL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (DAL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DAL)

Détails additionnels:

"Jeff Petry is a good defenseman, let's get that straight. However, he desperately wants out of Canada, is having the worst season he's had since his days in Edmonton, and his over $6M AAV cap hit for many more years diminishes his value. I think the Stars are interested, just because I can't see Jim Nill planning to rebuild for as long as he is there as GM. Petry would replace Klingberg, who is inevitably gone by next season, and I think the fresh start would be good for him to return back to his normal playing style."

DAL

Petry, Jeff

MTL

Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
Weatherby, Jasper
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (SJS)

Détails additionnels:

(If the pick ends up in the top-10, it's moved back to 2023).

"Now that the Canadiens are rebuilding, they can afford to take on bad contracts for compensation, and that's why I have them taking on one of the worst contracts in the league in Marc-Edouard Vlasic. The Sharks need to clear cap space with Meier, Ferraro & Hertl up in the next 1-2 offseasons, and Vlasic is just dead weight on their blue line. It hurts for San Jose to move a first-round pick during what is still essentially a "retool" period for them, but I think it's something that needs to be done."

SJS

Dea, Jean-Sébastien

MTL

Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (SJS)

Détails additionnels:

Any team (not from Puck Empire)

SJS

Détails additionnels:

Players I would like to see getting traded.

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $

Enfoui

Paul Byron: 2 275 000 $ (3 400 000 $)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	67 079 141 $	597 561 $	1 982 500 $	14 420 859 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hoffman, Mike 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (537 500 $$538K) C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C UFA - 4	Caufield, Cole 880 833 $880 833 $ (300 000 $$300K) AG, AD UFA - 2
Pitlick, Rem 917 831 $917 831 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 6
Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4	Weatherby, Jasper 842 500 $842 500 $ (82 500 $$82K) C UFA - 2	Kostin, Klim 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) AG, AD RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Romanov, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (637 500 $$638K) DG RFA - 1	Wideman, Chris 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 5
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 5	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Montembeault, Samuel 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Niku, Sami 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Poehling, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	McNiven, Michael 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 5
Clague, Kale 761 250 $761 250 $ DG/DD RFA - 1

14 févr. 2022 à 12 h 42

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Blues decline. There was a story in "The Athletic" today that Doug Armstrong won't pay a 1st round price for rentals like Giordano or Chiarot.

Rangers accept.

14 févr. 2022 à 12 h 44

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Quoting: hero9154

Blues decline. There was a story in "The Athletic" today that Doug Armstrong won't pay a 1st round price for rentals like Giordano or Chiarot.

Rangers accept.

If thats the case with the Blues and their 1st rounder, could you see an alternative to the trade that doesnt include it? Or do you mean like any asset thats worth a 1st.

14 févr. 2022 à 12 h 47

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Quoting: Shire

If thats the case with the Blues and their 1st rounder, could you see an alternative to the trade that doesnt include it? Or do you mean like any asset thats worth a 1st.

Pretty sure any asset worth a first

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14 févr. 2022 à 12 h 50

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Quoting: Shire

If thats the case with the Blues and their 1st rounder, could you see an alternative to the trade that doesnt include it? Or do you mean like any asset thats worth a 1st.

Maybe Kostin and a 2023 2nd? I think they don't want to move their first because they have no second due to the Buchneivich trade.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 6

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"Blues are definitely overpaying for Chiarot."

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 8

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Quoting: mokumboi

"Blues are definitely overpaying for Chiarot."

I dont get what you're saying, hes not getting overpaid in this trade scenario? If you think that, you might enjoy being DomTheDominator's assistant.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 11

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Quoting: Shire

I dont get what you're saying, hes not getting overpaid in this trade scenario? If you think that, you might enjoy being DomTheDominator's assistant.

You don;t understand the message? Yeesh.

And by the way, why exactly does Kostin need a change of scenery? Where do you guys even get this nutty stuff?

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 13

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Quoting: mokumboi

You don;t understand the message? Yeesh.

And by the way, why exactly does Kostin need a change of scenery? Where do you guys even get this nutty stuff?

Ask the dude who made it. I linked the source in the description. I also said that these trades werent my idea.
Only thing I said was that Chiarot is worth a 1st. Nothing more, nothing less. I could not care less about which team he goes to for said 1st.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 21

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Quoting: Shire

Fair enough on the Kostin quote, as I did not see the link. But the Blues are definitely overpaying for Chiarot bit is under a section titled "My thoughts".

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 21

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Allen is not an "answer in net" though - he's an injured backup who isn't having a particularly good season. With at least a dozen goalies on the market at the deadline, they'll be luck to get any calls at all.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 24

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Quoting: mokumboi

Fair enough on the Kostin quote, as I did not see the link. But the Blues are definitely overpaying for Chiarot bit is under a section titled "My thoughts".

Again the 1st is to any team. Does not have to be to the Blues.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 25

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Quoting: CD282

Yep. In terms of the Habs, I could see Montembault getting traded instead, especially since im sure hes gained value since being claimed.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 28

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I think Ken Holland is leaning toward sticking with Smith and Koskinen for the rest of the season. I believe he does not want to pay to move either of his two veterans, and if necessary he would rather add an experienced goaltender with a low cap hit and expiring contract. Its a strategy I mentioned early in January, and that was reinforced for me after reading a recent report that he offered a 5th or 6th round pick for Martin Jones. I'm not saying its a smart play, or that I think its the best strategy for the Oilers to win now, I'm just describing what I think is happening with the goaltending plans in Edmonton.

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14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 41

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LA isn't looking for the type of "defensive help" that Kulak provides. They don't need short-term or depth defensemen. They are looking for the type of defensive help that Alexander Romanov provides though.

14 févr. 2022 à 13 h 58

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Romanov is considered one of the untouchables for sure, but Chiarot plays a similar type of game (physical) and is on an expiring deal. Other than that, not much to offer unless you would like to try out Savard/Edmundson, although if Chiarot is reportedly getting a first, I cant see Edmundson getting less since hes considered to be the better player when healthy.

14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 3

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Quoting: Shire

LA likely isn't interested in anything that Montreal has to offer then. They have no need for additional RHD, especially ones in their 30s, and they're not going to give up a 1st for a guy like Edmundson.

They'll likely just stand pat and wait for Edler to return from injury (around the trade deadline) and re-assess the trade market around the draft.

14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 6

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Isnt Edler on LTIRetirement though? I thought that was the narrative around him.

14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 17

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12 NHL GMs and zero NHL fans are showing interest in Ben Chiarot at the price of a 1st and a 3rd rd pick

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14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 21

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Quoting: A_K

12 NHL GMs and zero NHL fans are showing interest in Ben Chiarot at the price of a 1st and a 3rd rd pick

Ive seen some interest, but you could look at their post directly for that.

14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 28

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You can want Seth Jarvis all day long, but when the sun sets, Montreal won’t have a Seth Jarvis in their ranks. Suzuki and 2 seconds I can get behind for Toffoli, but if you want Jarvis, there isn’t anything you could really offer for the Canes to give up Jarvis right now. He has already developed a lot of chemistry with Aho and Svechnikov, so why would the Canes break that chemistry?

Chiarot is not worth a first. He never was and never will be. But he likely gets a first just because of the 12 supposed teams being really interested. Lehk is one of the most sought after wingers? Now that’s just bs right there. He isn’t going to get that good a return, and the Habs would be lucky if they get a 3rd for him. Defensive wingers who don’t play C have very little value. At least in Coleman’s case, he could play C and he actually had an offensive game. Lehk doesn’t have either of those things going for him, so for Lehk to get such a crazy return is ridiculous.

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Quoting: Shire

Isnt Edler on LTIRetirement though? I thought that was the narrative around him.

No? He's already off crutches and will be back before the end of the season.

LAK Todd McLellan says there is a chance Alexander Edler can return before end of the season.Jokes he's been limping around facility but has put crutches aside. No timeline but does not appear to be season-ending injury.Would be big add down the stretch for LAK left D.
— Dennis Bernstein (@DennisTFP) February 11, 2022

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14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 40

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

No? He's already off crutches and will be back before the end of the season.

LAK Todd McLellan says there is a chance Alexander Edler can return before end of the season.Jokes he's been limping around facility but has put crutches aside. No timeline but does not appear to be season-ending injury.Would be big add down the stretch for LAK left D.
— Dennis Bernstein (@DennisTFP) February 11, 2022

Oh thats great to hear! Thanks for the insight.

14 févr. 2022 à 14 h 45

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Quoting: evelutions2

Seth Jarvis is the dream for sure, but the Toffoli ship has sailed unfortunately.

In terms of Lehkonen, if he was not expected to sign (UFA for reference), a 1st is all I would expect, but he is someone who plays hard and can go anywhere in the lineup. That alone is extremely valuable to have. You have a point with him not playing C, but his defensive analytics were superior to Coleman's when he was traded while having slightly less offensive production on a worse team.

Dmen rentals are always at a premium at the deadline, he can easily fetch a 1st with what we are hearing. If the habs didnt make the playoffs last year and let him show his play there, I doubt he goes that high.

14 févr. 2022 à 15 h 34

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Quoting: Shire

Yeah, what’s funny is I made that post then immediately found out after that Toffoli had been traded.

But value wise, Lehk and Chiarot are not that valuable. I’m not saying that what is posted here won’t be what they get as a return, or close to what they get, but they are both being overvalued. You can groom a player into those roles, it might take a bit of time, but players can grow into those kinds of roles. Players are more valuable if they can play across the lineup board, on special teams, but can also contribute a decent amount of offense. Both Chiarot and Lehk can hit the defensive sides of the of the first 2 criteria I mentioned, but the lack of offense from the both of them lessens their value.

It could also have to do with how they are used. For example, Staal’s offensive production has taken a hit this year compared to last year, but he has been used in a mainly defensive role this year, whereas last year he was being used in every zone. But with the emergence of KK, Staal gets more defensive time and KK gets a bunch of the time that Staal would have gotten in the offensive zone. MTL playing style seems to rely mainly on their transition game and sending the puck to the point for a bomb. But since they lost Weber (their bomb), their playing style that worked so well in the playoffs last year, becomes a hindrance. This year could just be a learning curve year to learn how to play without Weber, but you can only do so much with the lineup problems the Habs have had this year.

I guess what I’m saying is we can agree to disagree on their values and just leave it at that.

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