Quoting: Squid17
I'm a season ticket holder since they have come back to Winnipeg so ya I guess I've seen a game or two lol. Just got back from Wild game actually, Helly's numbers aren't great this season mostly because the team defense in front of him has sucked, tonight when team plays just a bit of defense he puts up a shutout. If you watched any Jets games you'd see that a large part of their lack of offence is because they can't get clean exits out of their own zone Dillon is a nightmare making any decent plays coming out of their end. Not to mention the Jets brutal PK which he plays about 40% of the minutes. Yes he brings some toughness which is good as Lowry is the only other guy that plays that role. And Yes the Jets are struggling to score goals but to think they lack enough offensive depth is kinda funny 81,80,55,27,9,26,25,91 isn't enough I'd say lots of teams might want that kinda offensive depth. In fact on this very Website every Jet's fan says Andrew Copp is worth a first round pick at the deadline so if you think he's worth a first and he's best suited to 3rd line on Jets I would say they have plenty of scoring, but when you have guys like Dillon, Stanley and to a lesser extent DeMelo and Schmidt turning the puck over on what should be an easy play thus creating more time spent in their own end that doesn't lead to too much offense. To be clear the comment was made that in my trade some thought Jets could get more for him and maybe they could but I didn't think he was that good to expect more than what I proposed in the trade. He makes $3.9 million and has been traded twice and the last trade was from a Stanley Cup contender that thought the a young guy like Fehervary and a journeyman like Trevor van Riemsdyk provided more value to their team just like I think Samberg and Heinola could. So I guess I didn't have to go through the reasons that big parts of the Jets lack of offense because of their defense and could have just said I don't think his value is any higher than what I purposed in the trade and it should be pretty obvious he is a 3rd pairing Dman on a Cup contending team yet he is a 2nd pairing big minute guy on the Jets but sure the Jets defense is fine if you like to see off the glass and out, the ever so popular flip to center ice or icings. To the bottom six issues when all the forwards are in the lineup they have a solid 9, the 4th line usually plays 5-8 minutes a game and teams can't invest any cap space for that. Winnipeg will never attracted the Spezza, Thorton, Perry or Parise's of the world so they try and fill with older less talented player which every single Jets fan hates or bring up young guys Chevy tried to upgrade the defense for this season and in my opinion Dillon and Schmidt were not the right choices on talent or salary. I guess my view when watching the game is obviously different than your view thankfully or their would be no need for forums like this lol.
I very much disagree and don't see it that way at all, Helly just hasn't been good and they don't have enough scorers so trying to blame that fact on the dmen just totally misses the mark of what ails this team, also the Jets PK sucks cause of its structure and that's mostly what the two forwards do which is way too passive, the Jets PK has sucked for years so trying to somehow relate that to Dillon is laughable.
So while there's some productive players in that group only 81, 80, 27 and 55 are legit top 6 talents, Perfetti has looked good but 4 points in 13 games isn't blowing the doors off, the rest aren't all that impressive and the majority of those guys are in the top 6 which isn't really the depth scoring the Jets lack its the lack of anything coming from the bottom six that kills them and has for years. The defense has little if any to do with the Jets lack of offense, they just don't have enough finishers outside two or three guys, they really need another Dubois type too who's a bit of a power forward.
Dillon is a top 4 dman on most teams in the league whether they're a contender or not, trading him for this would be really bad and 46% retention on a guy with two and half years left isn't something that happens often if its ever have, there's no need to retain on him if he was traded, he's worth his contract as of now.
So when fully healthy this team will still get nothing from its bottom six, do we really think Stastny/Lowry/Copp will be able to produce anything cause history says otherwise. I can't blame the 4th line for their inability to score to be honest, they don't play much, gotta wonder why it is though that a lot of decent to good teams have 4th liners that have 15-20 point seasons while the Jets are lucky if their 4th liners can get to 10 points. The Jets goal differential shows exactly what's wrong with this team.
Washington traded Dillon cause they needed cap space to sign Ovechkin and they could get good picks for him cause he's actually good and they had a D prospect in Fehervary that they felt was ready to make the jump, he was a cap casualty that didn't have any trade protection to deal with, simple as that.
Both Schmidt and Dillon have been good for the Jets especially Dillon but I didn't like either trades as I thought they only needed to add one legit top 4 dman and let Heinola or Samberg challenge for another spot in the lineup, from the second those trades happened I knew Chevy was just acquiring future cap problems. Having said that Heinola had a pretty bad preseason and Samberg got injured so had they not acquired some better D they'd probably have an even worse record right now.
As I said in my other comment, the Jets biggest issues are a hole in the top 6 and a useless bottom six, that's what needs fixing, the defense is fine.