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Pens decline pretty easily

EDM adds another piece.

PIT doesn't have the cap space for that even with the retention, and they can't trade that 2nd (it's already tied up as a conditional pick from a previous trade). NSH isn't going to retain $2M on Johansen. Both teams decline.

No from NSH both trades imo

EDM adds a little more

Pens don't have close to the space for that even if you retained 50%.

LOL I like that you think it's NSH that says no. Nobody is taking Johansen at anything less than 50% retention.

Johansen (2 mill retained) and Allard for Zucker and POJ?

Id be happy to take Ryan Johansen.

But not at 8M this season and 3 more after. At 4M-5M per would be great for a 29 year old, 6-3, 220 pound Power Forward, RH shot, good at FO’s; even if he has fell off some.

But would Nashville retain 3M-4M for this season and 3 more.?? Probably not(and I’d rather Benning or Rittich than Allard).

And Zucker contract expires after this season. And Zucker has trade value. Especially if retain 1M-2M and trade Zucker to a contender at the TD at 3.5M-4.5M for this season and next.

But like others already have said, Pens don’t have the cap space without sending back a contract back like Zucker.

And Pens 2nd isn’t taken up in a conditional pick for Carter anymore. The condition was if the Pens reach the SC finals in 20-21 season, the 3rd becomes a 2nd. And the conditional 4th becomes a 3rd if Carter plays 50% of games in this season(21-22).



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The Penguins are acquiring forward Jeff Carter from the Kings in exchange for two conditional draft picks: a 2022 third-round pick and a 2023 fourth-round pick.

Should the Penguins reach the Stanley Cup Final and Carter plays in at least 50% of the games, the third becomes a second. The 2023 fourth-rounder becomes a third-rounder if Carter plays in at least 50 games next season.

The Kings are also retaining 50% of Carter’s remaining salary as part of the deal. He is signed through the end of the 2021-22 season at a salary cap hit of $5.272M per season.

We're not retaining 2M (and definitely not 4M) for 4 years, both teams say no

$2M wouldn't even be enough. NSH is stuck with him.

Pens dont have the cap space for him and even if they retain its not enough. Johanson is making 8 mil for 4 more years so theres no way pens are taking him unless NSH retains 3-4 mil and pens add Zucker, but even then Zucker has been great for the pens to start the season so we would decline anyway

Johansen isn't worth more than about $4.5M IMO. $6M is an overpayment for a guy producing at an average middle-six rate.

Zucker > Johansen
POJ > Allard

Pens decline

NSH is stuck unless they eventually buy him out.

Johansen (6 points) > Zucker (4 points) (8 games each)

yup. i dont think hes a bad player, but 8 million for 4 years? yeah not happening. At least 3-4 mil retained, but even then pens decline because pens would have to trade Zucker and hes been better than Johansen

You do realize Zucker was doing this without Carter, Malkin, Crosby, Rust, c'mon.

That is unfathomably bad for NSH. PIT legitimately doesn't have the assets it would take to convince NSH to retain that much on Johansen, and get stuck with Zucker.

We definitely aren't buying him out either, we aren't in any sort of cap trouble. We're going to be rebuilding very soon. 8M for 4 years is alot better than 4M for 8 years

I'd rather be stuck with Zucker than Johansen. Zucker expires in two years and Johansen has 4 years left at that brutal contract. NSH HAS to retain if hes traded. Its not an option.

Zucker expires in 2 years lmao

And Johansens line mates are Tolvanen and Kunin soooo? Johansen is definitely better than Zucker

It's fine. The Pens have no need for him at any price.

Johansen is better because hes a -5? And he has teamates called Josi, Forsberg, Grandlund, while Zucker has Kapanen (Not doing great), Dumoulin, and basicly depth guys

Also Johansen plays more TOI which is a factor as well