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Date de création initiale: 18 oct. 2021
Publié: 18 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
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  1. 2023 2e round pick (VAN)
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  1. Stecher, Troy
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  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
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  1. Smith, Givani
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  1. Texier, Alexandre
CBJ
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
Rachats de contrats
  • Frans Nielsen: 4 250 000 $
  • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
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  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
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18 oct. à 21 h 40
#1
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Ya lol smith doesn’t get you anywhere close to kratsov
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18 oct. à 21 h 41
#2
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ya lol smith doesn’t get you anywhere close to kratsov


He's a nice piece imo. Gotta add a 2nd to get the deal done though.
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18 oct. à 21 h 43
#3
STOP BANNIN ME SMH
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vancouver says no too high of a price to pay when our defense has been pretty good in the past few days
poolman has looked amazing defensivly with hughes so far
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18 oct. à 21 h 44
#4
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
He's a nice piece imo. Gotta add a 2nd to get the deal done though.


His celling is 4th line grinder. Kratsovs celling is elite winger, it’s gonna take atleast a 1st
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18 oct. à 22 h 14
#5
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As much as I would like all those deals to happen, none of them work for the other teams. Columbus is not trading texier at all, last I saw he was playing first line centre for them.
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18 oct. à 22 h 15
#6
Nah.
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Nah from CBJ. Promising young forward with years of control for…a few months of this schmo.
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18 oct. à 22 h 20
#7
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Don't see why Van do that trade Stecher has been a healthy scratch for Detroit who is a worse defensive team then Van, At that price we could be looking to add a guy like manson
18 oct. à 22 h 39
#8
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Quoting: Bigboi69
His celling is 4th line grinder. Kratsovs celling is elite winger, it’s gonna take atleast a 1st


He plays a game Drury likes. Kravtsov doesn't have that potential though. He doesn't skate or defend that well.
18 oct. à 22 h 45
#9
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Quoting: Bigboi69
His celling is 4th line grinder. Kratsovs celling is elite winger, it’s gonna take atleast a 1st


Kravtsov isn't worth a first round pick anymore
Maybe a 2nd or 3rd
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18 oct. à 23 h 0
#10
Boi
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Quoting: Devil1122
Kravtsov isn't worth a first round pick anymore
Maybe a 2nd or 3rd

Krarsov played great in the khl he’s def still worth a 1st
18 oct. à 23 h 3
#11
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Krarsov played great in the khl he’s def still worth a 1st


KHL isn't the same as the NHL

If that was the case, Gusev would be a great player in the NHL
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18 oct. à 23 h 56
#12
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Krarsov played great in the khl he’s def still worth a 1st


Quoting: Devil1122
KHL isn't the same as the NHL

If that was the case, Gusev would be a great player in the NHL


I might agree Smith doesn't work, but I also think people are being insanely optimistic to think Kravtsov is not really worth much. I would take a flyer on him with a low level prospect or something, but if NYR asked for a 1st round pick I would hang up. I would do a 3rd or an equivalent prospect
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19 oct. à 0 h 57
#13
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GMs used to make deals like Texier for namestnikov back in the dark ages (erat for Forsberg) but thankfully that's going by the wayside in favour of reason

Texier has looked *so* good so far in 21-22

He almost outscored namestnikov last year too
19 oct. à 12 h 38
#14
Boi
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Quoting: Devil1122
KHL isn't the same as the NHL

If that was the case, Gusev would be a great player in the NHL


Gusev was a 7th rounder. Kratsov is still a strong prospect and New York has said that they won’t budge from their asking price
19 oct. à 12 h 39
#15
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Quoting: digitalbath
I might agree Smith doesn't work, but I also think people are being insanely optimistic to think Kravtsov is not really worth much. I would take a flyer on him with a low level prospect or something, but if NYR asked for a 1st round pick I would hang up. I would do a 3rd or an equivalent prospect


NYR isn’t gonna trade their top 10 pick from 3 years ago for a 3rd
19 oct. à 18 h 32
#16
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Gusev was a 7th rounder. Kratsov is still a strong prospect and New York has said that they won’t budge from their asking price


What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success
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20 oct. à 19 h 31
#17
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Quoting: Bigboi69
NYR isn’t gonna trade their top 10 pick from 3 years ago for a 3rd


This is just my opinion, But Dude, busts happen, Im not saying he is for sure just yet, but I am saying hes looking a lot more like a bust than a boom at this point. 2 different coaches and 2 different GMs have concluded he can not crack the NYR roster and should go to the AHL (in which he didnt kill it there either). So, if you think youre getting a 1st or some blue chip prospect back, based on what? Hes done nothing at the NHL level. Trust me as a wings fan it hurt seeing Cholowski turn into dust, we needed that 1st round pick to be good, he just isnt, Or Svechnikov. Continually thought to be a top 6 guy some day, every time some one put a trade with him away from the wings everyone would freak out saying exactly what youre saying now. "We arent giving up a 1st round pick for X" .. and now hes gone for 0 and likely never going to be anything, Think about if this kid goes back to KHL and you never get anything
21 oct. à 7 h 30
#18
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Quoting: digitalbath
This is just my opinion, But Dude, busts happen, Im not saying he is for sure just yet, but I am saying hes looking a lot more like a bust than a boom at this point. 2 different coaches and 2 different GMs have concluded he can not crack the NYR roster and should go to the AHL (in which he didnt kill it there either). So, if you think youre getting a 1st or some blue chip prospect back, based on what? Hes done nothing at the NHL level. Trust me as a wings fan it hurt seeing Cholowski turn into dust, we needed that 1st round pick to be good, he just isnt, Or Svechnikov. Continually thought to be a top 6 guy some day, every time some one put a trade with him away from the wings everyone would freak out saying exactly what youre saying now. "We arent giving up a 1st round pick for X" .. and now hes gone for 0 and likely never going to be anything, Think about if this kid goes back to KHL and you never get anything


I’m not a rangers fan but kratsov has lit up the khl, and NYs last coach was famous for not using young guys properly and their new coach and gm would rather have ahl plugs who can hit than actual skill players I.e buch for blais
21 oct. à 10 h 7
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Quoting: Bigboi69
I’m not a rangers fan but kratsov has lit up the khl, and NYs last coach was famous for not using young guys properly and their new coach and gm would rather have ahl plugs who can hit than actual skill players I.e buch for blais


Were trying to explain that KHL success is not always a translation to NHL success. Im also agreeing that doesnt mean hes worth 0 but i really think he tops out at a late 2nd or equivalent return
21 oct. à 12 h 23
#20
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Quoting: digitalbath
Were trying to explain that KHL success is not always a translation to NHL success. Im also agreeing that doesnt mean hes worth 0 but i really think he tops out at a late 2nd or equivalent return


His value is way higher than a late second lol
21 oct. à 21 h 1
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Quoting: Bigboi69
His value is way higher than a late second lol


Says who?
22 oct. à 13 h 33
#22
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Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success


Quoting: Devil1122
What does Gusev being a 7th round pick have to do with anything?

Let's compare Yegor Sharangovich and Vitali Kravtsov
Both from the 2018 draft, Kravtsov picked in the first round while Sharangovich in the 5th round

2017-18
Sharangovich (KHL): 12 points in 47 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravstov (KHL): 7 points in 35 games (0.2 points per game)

2018-19
Sharangovich (AHL): 17 points in 68 games (0.25 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 21 points in 50 games (0.42 points per game)

2019-20
Sharangovich (AHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.44 points per game)
Kravtsov (AHL): 15 points in 39 games (0.38 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (KHL): 25 points in 57 games (0.74 points per game)
Kravtsov (KHL): 24 points in 49 games (0.49 points per game)

2020-21
Sharangovich (NHL): 30 points in 54 games (0.55 points per game)
Kravtsov (NHL): 4 points in 20 games (0.2 points per game)

Both drafted in the same year, took similar routes to NA, put up similar stats in the KHL but Kravstov's NHL stats doesn't come close to Sharangovich. Sharangovich is the better player and has more value despite being picked later

Draft position doesn't dictate value
Prospects projects can change
KHL stats doesn't translate to NHL success



First off in 20–21 kratsov had a higher ppg than sharangovich, 25 in 57 is not even close to a .75 ppg
Secondly kratsov is 2 years younger than sharangovich so the sheer fact that kratsov can keep up with sharangovichs numbers is saying something. Kraft sob is 21 he still has a long time before he enters bust territory
22 oct. à 13 h 34
#23
Boi
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Quoting: digitalbath
Says who?

Says rags management, says his numbers, says the fact that he still projects to be a top line winger
22 oct. à 23 h 42
#24
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Quoting: Bigboi69
First off in 20–21 kratsov had a higher ppg than sharangovich, 25 in 57 is not even close to a .75 ppg
Secondly kratsov is 2 years younger than sharangovich so the sheer fact that kratsov can keep up with sharangovichs numbers is saying something. Kraft sob is 21 he still has a long time before he enters bust territory


It was a mistake. 25 points in 34 games which is very impressive

Kravtsov isn't a bust yet but is no where near what he was projected to be
25 oct. à 9 h 3
#25
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Quoting: Devil1122
It was a mistake. 25 points in 34 games which is very impressive

Kravtsov isn't a bust yet but is no where near what he was projected to be


Either way my original point still stands, NYR want a top prospect for him and won’t trade for anything less
 
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