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Hertl TDL and Lines When Healthy

Créé par: UpsideDownQue
Date de création initiale: 16 oct. 2021
Publié: 16 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Maybe Newhook will be back up in the NHL by the end of the year, if so put him on the 3rd line and take out Helm/Ranta/Injured guys/etc and shift Compher down to the 4th line
Transactions
1.
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas (2 625 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Hertl extends 7x7
SJS
  1. Olausson, Oskar
  2. 2023 1e round pick (COL)
  3. 2023 3e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
conditional 2023 3rd rounder if COL wins the cup in either '22 or '23 and Hertl plays in over 75% of the Avs playoff games in that year
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
2024
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $80 585 630 $1 741 463 $2 925 000 $914 370 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
3 000 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Jost, Tyson
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
COL
Compher, J.T.
3 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
COL
Ranta, Sampo
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
COL
Helm, Darren
1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
O'Connor, Logan
725 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
COL
Kuemper, Darcy
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
COL
Johnson, Erik
6 000 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Murray, Ryan
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
COL
Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 6
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
Johnson, Jack
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Landeskog, G.
Hertl, T.
Rantanen, M.
MacKinnon, N.
Makar, C.
Avantage numérique 2
Compher, J.
Kadri, N.
Burakovsky, A.
Byram, B.
Girard, S.
Infériorité numérique 1
Jost, T.
Nichushkin, V.
Toews, D.
Johnson, E.
Infériorité numérique 2
Hertl, T.
O'Connor, L.
Murray, R.
Makar, C.

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16 oct. à 19 h 42
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newhook from what I understood was a cap issue bc of all the injuries
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Is Hertls extension in place prior to the trade or no? Either way, I don’t see this being enough for Hertl especially with that retention.
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with this retention and an extension the cost is much higher sorry to say. It will take Newhook.
16 oct. à 20 h 15
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Quoting: coga16
newhook from what I understood was a cap issue bc of all the injuries


I think thats part of it but they also want him to get some AHL time to increase his confidence


16 oct. à 20 h 18
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No Newhook no Hertl deal (Unless Avs are the only team he will accept a trade to)
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Quoting: crankshaft
with this retention and an extension the cost is much higher sorry to say. It will take Newhook.


I dont see it. What other team is there that will drive up the price to a Newhook level prospect? BOS has nobody of that caliber and VGK has Krebs but wont move him for Eichel so presumably they wont move him for Hertl. Not sure what other teams will be in on him but those teams and COL are the first ones that come to mind for me
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16 oct. à 20 h 19
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Quoting: papishark
No Newhook no Hertl deal (Unless Avs are the only team he will accept a trade to)


Quoting: UpsideDownQue
I dont see it. What other team is there that will drive up the price to a Newhook level prospect? BOS has nobody of that caliber and VGK has Krebs but wont move him for Eichel so presumably they wont move him for Hertl. Not sure what other teams will be in on him but those teams and COL are the first ones that come to mind for me


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16 oct. à 20 h 21
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
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It will easily happen if all playoff teams can make an offer. This is what you get if you dont have many options.

Hertl will easily be the best rental on the market in years, and you know how desperate teams get.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
I dont see it. What other team is there that will drive up the price to a Newhook level prospect? BOS has nobody of that caliber and VGK has Krebs but wont move him for Eichel so presumably they wont move him for Hertl. Not sure what other teams will be in on him but those teams and COL are the first ones that come to mind for me


Vegas can offer Brisson and picks, Boston doesn’t have much to offer, NYR have a ton to offer, Minnesota has Marat K and picks, if Carolina wants in they have a ton of prospects. There could be plenty of suitors, also depends on how the season plays out.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
I dont see it. What other team is there that will drive up the price to a Newhook level prospect? BOS has nobody of that caliber and VGK has Krebs but wont move him for Eichel so presumably they wont move him for Hertl. Not sure what other teams will be in on him but those teams and COL are the first ones that come to mind for me


basically every contender will tender an offer for Hertl at the TDL and Wilson isn't letting his most popular and best player go for a couple pennies and a nickel. Hertl does it all and does it very well and picks it up in the playoffs. With retention and a possible extension, it's going to be expensive and someone will pay it.
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Quoting: papishark
It will easily happen if all playoff teams can make an offer. This is what you get if you dont have many options.

Hertl will easily be the best rental on the market in years, and you know how desperate teams get.


All playoff teams can make an offer but Hertl's NTC can narrow that down to 3 teams real quick. At the end of the day if SJS doesnt think Hertl will extend with them they will move him for the best offer at the deadline. What other prospect would another team offer that rivals Newhook? If there is none then theres no reason for COL to include him and SJS will still move him for the best offer
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Quoting: glarson17
Vegas can offer Brisson and picks, Boston doesn’t have much to offer, NYR have a ton to offer, Minnesota has Marat K and picks, if Carolina wants in they have a ton of prospects. There could be plenty of suitors, also depends on how the season plays out.


I admit Brisson and Khusnutdinov are good, not sure if theyre on the same level as Newhook, but Brissons off to a good start this year. I think Olausson/Barron/etc are similar in terms of value to those guys though.

Hertl can still narrow the teams down to 3 with his NTC, so some of those teams may not even be in the conversation
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Quoting: crankshaft
basically every contender will tender an offer for Hertl at the TDL and Wilson isn't letting his most popular and best player go for a couple pennies and a nickel. Hertl does it all and does it very well and picks it up in the playoffs. With retention and a possible extension, it's going to be expensive and someone will pay it.


He has a NTC with a 3 team trade list. Depends on how he wants to use that but it could significantly reduce the trade market for him like it did with Hall last year

Also how is a 1st round prospect and a 1st + 3rd = a couple pennies and a nickel?
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
I admit Brisson and Khusnutdinov are good, not sure if theyre on the same level as Newhook, but Brissons off to a good start this year. I think Olausson/Barron/etc are similar in terms of value to those guys though.

Hertl can still narrow the teams down to 3 with his NTC, so some of those teams may not even be in the conversation


Brisson is special because he is Bordeleau's linemate in Michigan and they have excellent chemistry.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
He has a NTC with a 3 team trade list. Depends on how he wants to use that but it could significantly reduce the trade market for him like it did with Hall last year

Also how is a 1st round prospect and a 1st + 3rd = a couple pennies and a nickel?


He was a late first. If not Newhook then Byram and a 1st.
16 oct. à 20 h 51
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Brisson is special because he is Bordeleau's linemate in Michigan and they have excellent chemistry.


That could be a good option then. Depends on if VGK is willing to move him and what they would add but I think hes similar to Olausson in value. Maybe Olausson+ to make up for that. Also depends on the trade list and everything

Quoting: crankshaft
He was a late first.


So? Brisson was too

Quoting: crankshaft
If not Newhook then Byram and a 1st.


That is just ridiculous
16 oct. à 20 h 54
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
I admit Brisson and Khusnutdinov are good, not sure if theyre on the same level as Newhook, but Brissons off to a good start this year. I think Olausson/Barron/etc are similar in terms of value to those guys though.

Hertl can still narrow the teams down to 3 with his NTC, so some of those teams may not even be in the conversation


The whole point of getting Brisson is because of his chemistry with Bordeleau, its mind blowing how good they are together.






Just watch them at the WJC, they are doing something every single shift.
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Hertl's remaining cap hit at the TDL is just over $1M so 50% retention is about $500K.
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