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Hertl

Créé par: mauston_atthews
Date de création initiale: 8 oct. 2021
Publié: 8 oct. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Bruins de Boston
Transactions
1.
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas (1 625 000 $ retained)
SJS
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Studnicka, Jack
  3. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
  4. 2022 3e round pick (CGY)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2024
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 210 674 $1 956 507 $125 000 $1 289 326 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BOS
Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
6 875 000 $
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Pastrnak, David
6 666 667 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
6 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
4 000 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Smith, Craig
3 100 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Haula, Erik
2 375 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
5 250 000 $
C, AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
BOS
Foligno, Nick
3 800 000 $
AG, C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
BOS
Frederic, Trent
1 050 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BOS
Nosek, Tomas
1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
BOS
Wagner, Chris
1 350 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
3 687 500 $
DG
UFA - 3
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
4 900 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
BOS
Ullmark, Linus
5 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Reilly, Mike
3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
4 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
925 000 $
G
RFA - 2
BOS
Forbort, Derek
3 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
Clifton, Connor
1 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
BOS
Moore, John
2 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
BOS
Blidh, Anton
750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1

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8 oct. à 21 h 37
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Absolutely not.
8 oct. à 21 h 47
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frown
8 oct. à 21 h 57
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Absolutely not.


Agreed, not good enough.
8 oct. à 22 h 1
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Quoting: glarson17
Agreed, not good enough.


Informed Realism
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8 oct. à 22 h 3
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DeBrusk is not very good and Studnicka is a B prospect. Hard pass the conversation starts with Fabian Lysell
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8 oct. à 22 h 20
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Quoting: glarson17
Agreed, not good enough.


Quoting: gary_bettman
Informed Realism


Any examples of an in-season rental like hertl getting this much? Any at all? Just one?
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8 oct. à 23 h 32
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Any examples of an in-season rental like hertl getting this much? Any at all? Just one?


I guess the closest example is Taylor Hall to Arizona.
Bahl, Merkely, Schnarr, 1st, and 3rd
This trade is more than that. Sharks fans are asking for too much for Hertl
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8 oct. à 23 h 34
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Quoting: Devil1122
I guess the closest example is Taylor Hall to Arizona.
Bahl, Merkely, Schnarr, 1st, and 3rd
This trade is more than that. Sharks fans are asking for too much for Hertl


Difference being, Taylor hall had a recent MVP. Hertl hasn’t had anything close to an elite season. Has hertl ever lead his team in points? Has he even been in the top 50 in scoring (i honestly don’t know the answer to that one)?
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9 oct. à 0 h 11
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Absolutely not.
9 oct. à 1 h 2
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Difference being, Taylor hall had a recent MVP. Hertl hasn’t had anything close to an elite season. Has hertl ever lead his team in points? Has he even been in the top 50 in scoring (i honestly don’t know the answer to that one)?


He's only gotten 50+ points once in his career
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9 oct. à 3 h 4
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Quoting: Devil1122
He's only gotten 50+ points once in his career

Dont trade for him then if hes so bad. Why would the Bruins need a lowly 50 point player for?
9 oct. à 6 h 41
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Quoting: gary_bettman
DeBrusk is not very good and Studnicka is a B prospect. Hard pass the conversation starts with Fabian Lysell


DeBrusk isn't good? Based off what, one season bad season in his 4yr career?
9 oct. à 9 h 10
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Quoting: gary_bettman
DeBrusk is not very good and Studnicka is a B prospect. Hard pass the conversation starts with Fabian Lysell


Okay. That works. Lysell for hertl.
9 oct. à 9 h 12
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Quoting: papishark
Dont trade for him then if hes so bad. Why would the Bruins need a lowly 50 point player for?

This is what is maddeningly frustrating about sharks fans this year.

There is something in between: Hertl stinks ——— Hertl should get the highest return for an in-reason rental the league has seen in a decade.

You know that right? We all think he’s a good player. But instead of thinking, “this player is good, he’s going to buck every trend that exists and get way way way way way more than players like him in trade,” we think, “he’ll probably get normal rental returns.” What’s wrong with that?
9 oct. à 9 h 19
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Quoting: gary_bettman
DeBrusk is not very good and Studnicka is a B prospect. Hard pass the conversation starts with Fabian Lysell


The conversation ends with Lysell. In fact the Bruins, for better or worse, are pretty well locked in personal wise and cap wise for this season. The time for Boston to look at Hertl is after this season as a UFA if Bergeron decides to retire. Unless SJ wiggles its way out of one of Kane, Burns, Karlsson, Couture, Vlasic contracts they won't be resigning Hertl. To those SJ fans out there who don't believe a 1st, a 3rd and DeBrusk and Studnicka is fair value good luck to you. Let's see what you actually get when the time comes. Hertl is a good player but you are valuing him like your GM valued all his "star" players when he signed them to those gross contracts and we see now how that has worked out for the Sharks.
9 oct. à 9 h 26
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Quoting: Devil1122
He's only gotten 50+ points once in his career


if you actually looked it up he had 74 points in 77 games.
Quoting: Devil1122
He's only gotten 50+ points once in his career


Im sorry to say but if Hertl is not elite then your boy Jack Hughes is barely hanging on in the NHL. Talk about major bust for the Devils.
9 oct. à 9 h 27
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Quoting: Devil1122
I guess the closest example is Taylor Hall to Arizona.
Bahl, Merkely, Schnarr, 1st, and 3rd
This trade is more than that. Sharks fans are asking for too much for Hertl


This same guy here thinks Jack Hughes is elite. SO he DEF knows what he's talking about hahahah
9 oct. à 9 h 45
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Quoting: gary_bettman
if you actually looked it up he had 74 points in 77 games.

Im sorry to say but if Hertl is not elite then your boy Jack Hughes is barely hanging on in the NHL. Talk about major bust for the Devils.


1. It's an inside joke that you don't understand
2. That's why I said he only got 50+ ONCE if you can actually read
3. Hughes' "barely" hanging in the NHL but Hertl only had 12 more points
4. Devils have 100x better future than the Sharks so have fun with your terrible contracts
9 oct. à 9 h 56
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Quoting: gary_bettman
if you actually looked it up he had 74 points in 77 games.

Im sorry to say but if Hertl is not elite then your boy Jack Hughes is barely hanging on in the NHL. Talk about major bust for the Devils.


Quoting: gary_bettman
This same guy here thinks Jack Hughes is elite. SO he DEF knows what he's talking about hahahah


Hertl's first two years in NHL...119 GP 28G 28A 56P

Hughes's first two years in NHL... 117GP 18G 34A 52P

All Devil1122 stated was that Hertl has got only more than 50 points once in his career. That's it. You go off on another tangent which is your right but even then you are wrong. They are at different stages of their careers right now but compare apples to apples. There first two years are very similar and Hertl had the benefit of an extra year in Europe before joining the league. Hertl is good. Hughes's best is yet to come. He just might know what he is talking about. Time will tell.
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9 oct. à 10 h 10
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Quoting: papishark
Dont trade for him then if hes so bad. Why would the Bruins need a lowly 50 point player for?


When did I say he was bad?

All I said was that Sharks fans overvalue him. Give a reason why his value should be higher than Hall's value
9 oct. à 13 h 16
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Quoting: gary_bettman
if you actually looked it up he had 74 points in 77 games.

Im sorry to say but if Hertl is not elite then your boy Jack Hughes is barely hanging on in the NHL. Talk about major bust for the Devils.


Was what he said wrong? He said hertl only has one 50+ point season. I think 74 qualifies as 50+.
Hertl has had eight NHL seasons. Hughes has had two, and is clearly trending upwards. What does one have to do with the other?

Seriously, why so defensive? There is a difference between saying that Hertl isn’t going to get the biggest rental return of the last decade, and saying Hertl is bad. No one thinks Hertl is bad. We all think he’s good. But we see ACGM after ACGM with Hertl getting a 1st, 2nd, a good young roster player, and a top prospect but mark stone got a 2nd and a good prospect. He’s good, but he isn’t the best player that will be available for a rental in the cap era.
9 oct. à 13 h 19
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Quoting: BruinsCharlies
Hertl's first two years in NHL...119 GP 28G 28A 56P

Hughes's first two years in NHL... 117GP 18G 34A 52P

All Devil1122 stated was that Hertl has got only more than 50 points once in his career. That's it. You go off on another tangent which is your right but even then you are wrong. They are at different stages of their careers right now but compare apples to apples. There first two years are very similar and Hertl had the benefit of an extra year in Europe before joining the league. Hertl is good. Hughes's best is yet to come. He just might know what he is talking about. Time will tell.


Well put. I’ve been seeing this a ton lately. Someone rattles off an objective fact, like Hertl only has one 50+ point season, or Hertl hasn’t gotten a single selke vote, and a sharks fan will shoot back with, “so you think he’s horrible!!!”

It’s like there’s nothing between ECHL and elite.
9 oct. à 14 h 7
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Quoting: Devil1122
When did I say he was bad?

All I said was that Sharks fans overvalue him. Give a reason why his value should be higher than Hall's value


Hes a better player than Hall was at the time and is a center which typically return much more than wingers?
9 oct. à 14 h 8
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Well put. I’ve been seeing this a ton lately. Someone rattles off an objective fact, like Hertl only has one 50+ point season, or Hertl hasn’t gotten a single selke vote, and a sharks fan will shoot back with, “so you think he’s horrible!!!”

It’s like there’s nothing between ECHL and elite.


Some people say that, you say "Ill give you debrusk and a second and if you dont take it then your a homer and a terrible person"
9 oct. à 14 h 27
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Quoting: papishark
Hes a better player than Hall was at the time and is a center which typically return much more than wingers?


There's no way Hertl was better than Hall

Just looking at points, in each of their last 5 seasons prior to the trade
Hall: 0.93 points per game
Hertl 0.73 points per game

And if you look at the past 3 years prior to the trade
Hall: 1.11 points per game
Hertl: 0.87 points per game

Not to mention, Hall won a Hart during that time
So no Hertl is not the better player.

The only valid argument is that Hertl is a center. But that doesn't make him much more valuable than Hall
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