Absolutely not.

Agreed, not good enough.

Informed Realism

DeBrusk is not very good and Studnicka is a B prospect. Hard pass the conversation starts with Fabian Lysell

Any examples of an in-season rental like hertl getting this much? Any at all? Just one?

I guess the closest example is Taylor Hall to Arizona.
Bahl, Merkely, Schnarr, 1st, and 3rd
This trade is more than that. Sharks fans are asking for too much for Hertl

Difference being, Taylor hall had a recent MVP. Hertl hasn’t had anything close to an elite season. Has hertl ever lead his team in points? Has he even been in the top 50 in scoring (i honestly don’t know the answer to that one)?

Absolutely not.

He's only gotten 50+ points once in his career

Dont trade for him then if hes so bad. Why would the Bruins need a lowly 50 point player for?

DeBrusk isn't good? Based off what, one season bad season in his 4yr career?

Okay. That works. Lysell for hertl.

This is what is maddeningly frustrating about sharks fans this year.

There is something in between: Hertl stinks ——— Hertl should get the highest return for an in-reason rental the league has seen in a decade.

You know that right? We all think he’s a good player. But instead of thinking, “this player is good, he’s going to buck every trend that exists and get way way way way way more than players like him in trade,” we think, “he’ll probably get normal rental returns.” What’s wrong with that?

The conversation ends with Lysell. In fact the Bruins, for better or worse, are pretty well locked in personal wise and cap wise for this season. The time for Boston to look at Hertl is after this season as a UFA if Bergeron decides to retire. Unless SJ wiggles its way out of one of Kane, Burns, Karlsson, Couture, Vlasic contracts they won't be resigning Hertl. To those SJ fans out there who don't believe a 1st, a 3rd and DeBrusk and Studnicka is fair value good luck to you. Let's see what you actually get when the time comes. Hertl is a good player but you are valuing him like your GM valued all his "star" players when he signed them to those gross contracts and we see now how that has worked out for the Sharks.

if you actually looked it up he had 74 points in 77 games.

Im sorry to say but if Hertl is not elite then your boy Jack Hughes is barely hanging on in the NHL. Talk about major bust for the Devils.

This same guy here thinks Jack Hughes is elite. SO he DEF knows what he's talking about hahahah

1. It's an inside joke that you don't understand
2. That's why I said he only got 50+ ONCE if you can actually read
3. Hughes' "barely" hanging in the NHL but Hertl only had 12 more points
4. Devils have 100x better future than the Sharks so have fun with your terrible contracts

Hertl's first two years in NHL...119 GP 28G 28A 56P

Hughes's first two years in NHL... 117GP 18G 34A 52P

All Devil1122 stated was that Hertl has got only more than 50 points once in his career. That's it. You go off on another tangent which is your right but even then you are wrong. They are at different stages of their careers right now but compare apples to apples. There first two years are very similar and Hertl had the benefit of an extra year in Europe before joining the league. Hertl is good. Hughes's best is yet to come. He just might know what he is talking about. Time will tell.

When did I say he was bad?

All I said was that Sharks fans overvalue him. Give a reason why his value should be higher than Hall's value

Was what he said wrong? He said hertl only has one 50+ point season. I think 74 qualifies as 50+.
Hertl has had eight NHL seasons. Hughes has had two, and is clearly trending upwards. What does one have to do with the other?

Seriously, why so defensive? There is a difference between saying that Hertl isn’t going to get the biggest rental return of the last decade, and saying Hertl is bad. No one thinks Hertl is bad. We all think he’s good. But we see ACGM after ACGM with Hertl getting a 1st, 2nd, a good young roster player, and a top prospect but mark stone got a 2nd and a good prospect. He’s good, but he isn’t the best player that will be available for a rental in the cap era.

Well put. I’ve been seeing this a ton lately. Someone rattles off an objective fact, like Hertl only has one 50+ point season, or Hertl hasn’t gotten a single selke vote, and a sharks fan will shoot back with, “so you think he’s horrible!!!”

It’s like there’s nothing between ECHL and elite.

Hes a better player than Hall was at the time and is a center which typically return much more than wingers?

Some people say that, you say "Ill give you debrusk and a second and if you dont take it then your a homer and a terrible person"

There's no way Hertl was better than Hall

Just looking at points, in each of their last 5 seasons prior to the trade
Hall: 0.93 points per game
Hertl 0.73 points per game

And if you look at the past 3 years prior to the trade
Hall: 1.11 points per game
Hertl: 0.87 points per game

Not to mention, Hall won a Hart during that time
So no Hertl is not the better player.

The only valid argument is that Hertl is a center. But that doesn't make him much more valuable than Hall