How does TO fill the hole left from moving Rielly? Sandin was taken out of the playoffs so he isn't the answer at least not yet. Plus Rielly is significantly better than Hertl

That's the interesting question, but based on the amount of Rielly dump posts on this site the general consensus seems that Sandin is sooner rather than later able to take that slot. Muzzin is already the most important D in that team due to his versatility in both ends of the ice.

I disagree on Rielly being that much better than Hertl. Both probably contribute the same for their respective teams, and can be seen as the mvp of their respective positions in their teams.

Isn't a win for SJ, why would they trade away their top center for another D?

To gather equivalent value and a very useful player. At least that's how I view this.

It's also an option to move him for futures, but given the situation they might not be getting full value out of the guy.

Last thing they should do is let him walk.

I think the value is fair for the Devils trade but the Devils don't need Simek for 3 years with Graves, Smith, Bahl, Siegenthaler, and soon Hughes and Mukhamudullin all on the left side

Maybe Johnsson to SJ for a pick works

So instead of letting Hertl walk, they trade him for a less useful player who will also walk? There is no way that this trade isn't a loss for SJ.

A twisted way of thinking it, but I suppose that's a possible outcome.

I'd definitely suggest trying to sign Rielly. That might make it more of a win.

Ofc when I said "could be a win-win" in the trade, I naturally expected that both of them re-signed with their new teams...

san jose dont need rielly and leafs would need to get a D man back in a rielly trade

Money wise would probably be impossible this way.

I do think they need a LD. They only have Ferraro as a solid LD. Vlasic is a pylon and Knyzhov's a question mark.

Say if I included Simek and Mikheyev in the TOR trade? Leafs would gather a D, and SJ gain a cheaper winger than Mango. Could it work?

Using this site to find a "general consensus" is like finding a general consensus on public health at a conspiracy theory convention. There is like 3 guys who dump Rielly daily and every time make the team worse. The rest of the dump Rielly posts are trolls looking to start arguments.

Rielly is an all star and Hertl would be the 5th best forward on a team that doesn't need offence. It's a trade that makes no sense.

but im saying they already have two big offensive defencemen and a lot of expensive D men. as a leafs fan the only sharks defenceman i am intersted in would be ferraro but that wouldnt happen.

Both of them are also rapidly aging and would absolutely benefit from a younger D coming to boost their play.

Rielly isn’t an all star lol - he had one amazing series what 2 or 3 years ago? Hasn’t been close to the same since. He’s a great top pairing guy, but a solid top 4 choice.

Overvaluing Rielly. The trade makes no sense for both teams but Rielly is not that amazing. He provides little defence and some great offence but definitely isn’t an All-Star. He’s also valuable to the leafs locker room but these don’t apply to status or trade value to other teams.

Finally I've found a Leafs fan who wants to actually keep Rielly. You're a rare breed.

All-star D is a stretch. And you severely underrate Hertl is you consider him to be 5th best F in Leafs. I'd probably take him over Tavares and Nylander long-term.

maybe but rielly isnt so young anymore and i think a defence first style guy would compliment them better so burns and karlsson could flourish offensivley

He's 27. Not "young" per se, but still considerably younger than the D core in Sharks at the moment, minus Ferraro and Knyzhov.

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Anti Leaf Bias. He's a stud, come playoff time elevates his game and few can skate like he can. He had one year where he was playing injured and now all the anti leafers can't see beyond that.

Im not anti leaf, Rielly is one of my favourite Leafs. Im mixed between him and Campbell I think with Muzzin and Matthews closeby.

Rielly is awesome, but its call be unbiased - unlike yourself. Rielly is awesome, not elite or an allstar. Hertl is also awesome, but not elite.

He's older than Nylander and no he isn't as good as JT. He's absolutely the 5th best forward in TO.

Sure bud, he's not the best defensively but he still plays a pile of minutes and the puck goes in the other net more than his. If he was terrible defensively that wouldn't happen.

Its not a bad thought but the issue is Toronto really has no need of a forward rn and San Jose has so many dman.

If Rielly is moved I got a feeling Dubas will be looking for a dman in the deal that can take his place

Now a 3 way trade could be worked out no idea who the third would be but something could be worked on

San Jose is full of highly paid defensemen like Karlsson, Burns and Vlasic, with Reilly scheduled for a hefty raise, they wouldn’t be able to make it work past this year.

I don’t like this for Toronto either. It significantly makes their defence worse. If Reilly is traded they need another D going back

Holy ****… if you want to forget everything you’ve ever learned about hockey just keep listening to leafs fans lol.

Maybe when next offseason roles around we will have a better idea of whether Sandin is ready to slot in to the top 4 on a contending. Team. For this season the leafs need Rielly.

As far as Hertl goes… yes please. It just can’t be for a top 4 Dman.