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When we dont make the playoffs

Créé par: Frostyshark24
Date de création initiale: 10 août 2021
Publié: 10 août 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
All these trades in my opinion will happen near the trade deadline.
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. 2022 3e round pick (DAL)
  2. 2023 3e round pick (DAL)
2022 3rd upgrades to a 2nd if Dallas wins the cup
DAL
  1. Simek, Radim
2.
SJS
  1. 2022 1e round pick (BOS)
  2. 2022 3e round pick (CGY)
  3. 2023 2e round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas
3.
SJS
  1. 2022 1e round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Bonino, Nick
Rachats de contrats
  • Martin Jones: 1 916 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Brent Burns: 2 720 000 $ (34%)
  • Andrew Cogliano: 500 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $71 072 030 $0 $425 000 $10 427 970 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Kane, Evander
7 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Couture, Logan
8 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
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Labanc, Kevin
4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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Kane, Evander
2 108 696 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
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Gambrell, Dylan
1 100 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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Balcers, Rūdolfs
1 550 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Meier, Timo
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Pederson, Lane
750 000 $
C
RFA - 2
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Barabanov, Alexander
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Cogliano, Andrew
500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Merkley, Nick
750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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Nieto, Matt
850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Leonard, John
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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Karlsson, Erik
11 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
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Reimer, James
2 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
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Ferraro, Mario
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Burns, Brent
5 280 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Hill, Adin
2 175 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Knyzhov, Nikolai
796 667 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Meloche, Nicolas
750 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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10 août 2021 à 16 h 29
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Lmao who’s trading a first for Bonino??? 😂
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 30
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without looking it up tell me who CBJ has at center
10 août 2021 à 16 h 35
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without looking it up tell me who CBJ has at center


You want Columbus to trade a likely top 5 pick in a good draft for Bonino?
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 35
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Hertl is more of a late first rounder type rental, not a 1st ++ rental.
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 37
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Could get better value for Hertl and definitely won’t be getting that much for Simek and Bonino (but especially Bonino)
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 39
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Why would a rebuilding CBJ team trade a first (that's likely to be a very high first in a loaded draft) for Bonino? I don't think Bonino fetches a first from most teams, def not CBJ or a rebuilding team.
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 40
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I think CBJ is really underrated and can be a fringe playoff team again. definitely not at the bottom of the league.
10 août 2021 à 16 h 41
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Why would a rebuilding CBJ team trade a first (that's likely to be a very high first in a loaded draft) for Bonino? I don't think Bonino fetches a first from most teams, def not CBJ or a rebuilding team.


I could see Bonino going to Tampa half retained tbh.
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 43
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I think CBJ is really underrated and can be a fringe playoff team again. definitely not at the bottom of the league.


Even if that happens were not trading a first for him lol. And also I don’t see it happening. We’re not a bottom 6 center away. We’re 2 top 6 forwards away minimum.
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 43
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I think CBJ is really underrated and can be a fringe playoff team again. definitely not at the bottom of the league.


I think they did an outstanding job this offseason given the hand they were dealt. They'll be tough to play against but in the Metro they'd be hard pressed to finish outside of last..Isles, Caps, Pens, Canes are all legitimate contenders, Flyers & Rags will be vying to knock one of them out for a spot, Devils are much improved and will be a sneaky team to snake a spot. In the Pacific I think the Jackets could try to contend for that last spot but I can't see it in the metro.
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10 août 2021 à 16 h 46
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Really absurd overpays for Simek and Bonino, and a huge underpay on Hertl.
10 août 2021 à 17 h 2
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So Shane Wright for Nick Bonino?
10 août 2021 à 17 h 45
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Could get better value for Hertl and definitely won’t be getting that much for Simek and Bonino (but especially Bonino)


Lol who on earth do you think hertl is?
10 août 2021 à 17 h 51
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Lol who on earth do you think hertl is?


Boston's future first line center when Bergeron is gone, hertl is way better then Coyle
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10 août 2021 à 17 h 53
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Boston's future first line center when Bergeron is gone, hertl is way better then Coyle


Cool. Buuuut he’s a rental.

He’s also nowhere close to a first line center. He’s a player, that outside of one outlier season has played at roughly a 45 point per 82 game pace. That’s closer to a third line center than a first line center. Fine player. Solid rental for a first round pick. Not this.
10 août 2021 à 17 h 59
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Cool. Buuuut he’s a rental.

He’s also nowhere close to a first line center. He’s a player, that outside of one outlier season has played at roughly a 45 point per 82 game pace. That’s closer to a third line center than a first line center. Fine player. Solid rental for a first round pick. Not this.


Hertl had 74 points in 2018-2019 and this season he had 43 points in 50 games. he is defiantly a first liner. not to mention he would right off the mark have chemistry with pasta because they both are from the Czech Rep. he is also the type of player to take a cap hit for the sake of the team. Boston would be getting Hertl at a bargain at that price
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10 août 2021 à 18 h 1
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Hertl had 74 points in 2018-2019 and this season he had 43 points in 50 games. he is defiantly a first liner. not to mention he would right off the mark have chemistry with pasta because they both are from the Czech Rep. he is also the type of player to take a cap hit for the sake of the team. Boston would be getting Hertl at a bargain at that price


If he’s a first line center, he’s a first line center for a really really really bad NHL team. Ohhhhhh he would have chemistry with pastrnak because they’re from the same country? That’s a preposterous assumption.

Hertl has one 50 point season in his NHL career. He would be a solid mid level 2nd line center option for the bruins. Want a first round pick? Probably a done deal. Not a first ++
10 août 2021 à 18 h 4
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Lol who on earth do you think hertl is?


A solid 1C who SJ has no reason to move unless they’re getting good value. If teams want him they better pony up.
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10 août 2021 à 18 h 11
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A solid 1C who SJ has no reason to move unless they’re getting good value. If teams want him they better pony up.


In what universe is he a solid 1C?
10 août 2021 à 18 h 16
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A solid 1C who SJ has no reason to move unless they’re getting good value. If teams want him they better pony up.


Over the last 5 seasons he’s 47th in points among centers. 42nd in even strength points. 42nd in points per game. 38th in points per 60. There are a lot of guys ahead of him that no one would consider a top line center. I get there’s more to it than points, but when you’re talking about a solid top line guy, there’s gotta be some offensive production there. With hertl, it’s inconsistent at absolute best.
10 août 2021 à 18 h 18
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Over the last 5 seasons he’s 47th in points among centers. 42nd in even strength points. 42nd in points per game. 38th in points per 60. There are a lot of guys ahead of him that no one would consider a top line center. I get there’s more to it than points, but when you’re talking about a solid top line guy, there’s gotta be some offensive production there. With hertl, it’s inconsistent at absolute best.


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10 août 2021 à 18 h 20
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agree to disagree


Yes, you can disagree all you want with reality. Doesn’t change facts. There’s nothing subjective there.
10 août 2021 à 18 h 31
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Columbus isn’t trading a likely top 5 pick for Bonino. You can think they’ll be good all you want, but center isn’t even the biggest hole on the team anymore, it’s finding a number 2 RHD to play with Werenski, and no it’s not Boqvist.
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10 août 2021 à 18 h 35
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Yes, you can disagree all you want with reality. Doesn’t change facts. There’s nothing subjective there.


Reality doesn't change the fact that over the past three years he is 22nd in points per game among centers, and that's not even considering the fact that he is one of the top centers defensively.

In fact, there are only 4 centers above him on that list with better defensive metrics (EV DEF WAR) over the past three years.
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10 août 2021 à 18 h 36
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In what universe is he a solid 1C?


In reality where everyone but you is living. You’re objectively incorrect.

If you actually listened to what we’re saying instead of cherry-picking stats that are only useful to backup your narrative you’d see where we’re coming from. But I’ve never seen you concede on a point or admit any sort of fault, so there’s no reason for me to try to convince you of anything at this point.




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