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Équipe: 2021-22 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 9 août 2021
Publié: 9 août 2021
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I really like Columbus' strategy as of late, and I hope they'll continue on the same path. Offer desirable players to teams for picks, and if necessary take on some cap in the process.

Another trade I thought about is Werenski to Detroit, but that's maybe more realistic in a year or two after they are on track for the playoffs at least. What could a return look like?

Would you be opposed to these trades? Obviously some mid/lower rd picks and conditions could be attached back and forth, but answer in terms of concept!
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9 août 2021 à 11 h 46
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Max domi has zero value, ,and is out most of the year along with being a team cancer. Rask has more value than Domi which is sad. So to say,,wild say no, and keep rask
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The only person of interest to LA in Columbus currently that would involve a Turcotte+ return would be Werenski. No thanks for the headcase that is Laine. The NHL needs to see if he'll rebound out of his past couple of down years, or if that's just the player he is.
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9 août 2021 à 11 h 48
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No thanks for the Kings, not sure Laine is a good fit for LA.
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Max domi has zero value, ,and is out most of the year along with being a team cancer. Rask has more value than Domi which is sad. So to say,,wild say no, and keep rask


If you say so. I think they're paying for the upside, but it's really the least impactful trade regardless.
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The only person of interest to LA in Columbus currently that would involve a Turcotte+ return would be Werenski. No thanks for the headcase that is Laine. The NHL needs to see if he'll rebound out of his past couple of down years, or if that's just the player he is.


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No thanks for the Kings, not sure Laine is a good fit for LA.


For the record, I wouldn't do this as LA. But also, I would send Werenski for him.

I think they've made moves lately to speed up the rebuild process. I figured maybe getting out of the Quick-contract could help sway them. But I agree Laine needs some serious team building around him in order to be effective, and I don't think he's more than maybe a 5 mil player even when he scores like crazy.
9 août 2021 à 11 h 58
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Turning Jenner into a 1st and a goaltending upgrade would be a big win. I don't think its a worthwhile trade for Edmonton though.
9 août 2021 à 12 h 0
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I don't think Edmonton would do that deal. At this point they need Koskinen and could let him go only if they acquired a better goaltender, which would likely cost them that 1st round pick.

Maybe there's a deal if a third team is interested in giving up a starting goaltender for a package that includes Jenner, but I suspect the terms would not be as attractive for Columbus.
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If you say so. I think they're paying for the upside, but it's really the least impactful trade regardless.


Yes it's the least impactful, but domi is a cancer with 1 year left on his contract which he's going to miss at least half of the season.
- You are talking about a player who played poorly for two years, not strong on the boards, and pouted his way out of Montreal, and took plays off when healthy in Columbus because he was downgraded in the lineup. Wild coach is very much like The coach Columbus just fired , so is wild gm who wants high character players , and players who are Physical, and smart. Rask isn't good but at least valuable at an important c position wild barely have enough of
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Turning Jenner into a 1st and a goaltending upgrade would be a big win. I don't think its a worthwhile trade for Edmonton though.


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I don't think Edmonton would do that deal. At this point they need Koskinen and could let him go only if they acquired a better goaltender, which would likely cost them that 1st round pick.

Maybe there's a deal if a third team is interested in giving up a starting goaltender for a package that includes Jenner, but I suspect the terms would not be as attractive for Columbus.


I tried that with LA instead, but maybe it's more realistic to include Korpisalo in the Edmonton deal. I think there's something there regardless - not only because CBJ have the cap space and goalie depth to make the trade, but also because they have the exact type of depth forwards Edmonton really needs.
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Yes it's the least impactful, but domi is a cancer with 1 year left on his contract which he's going to miss at least half of the season.
- You are talking about a player who played poorly for two years, not strong on the boards, and pouted his way out of Montreal, and took plays off when healthy in Columbus because he was downgraded in the lineup. Wild coach is very much like The coach Columbus just fired , so is wild gm who wants high character players , and players who are Physical, and smart. Rask isn't good but at least valuable at an important c position wild barely have enough of


I actually think Rask is fine. I don't even think he's worse than Domi, he just happens to reduce offense in both directions rather than increase it. But I'm not making these trades based on my own evaluation, cause then there'd almost always be a losing team and no way to complete a deal. But as I said, I didn't think too much about the trade - just thought the Wild would be willing to take a flyer on a guy they could concieve to have in their top 6.
9 août 2021 à 12 h 27
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I tried that with LA instead, but maybe it's more realistic to include Korpisalo in the Edmonton deal. I think there's something there regardless - not only because CBJ have the cap space and goalie depth to make the trade, but also because they have the exact type of depth forwards Edmonton really needs.


But why would Edmonton want Korpisalo? They're trying to become a contender, so downgrading their goaltending isn't a good move for them.
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I tried that with LA instead, but maybe it's more realistic to include Korpisalo in the Edmonton deal. I think there's something there regardless - not only because CBJ have the cap space and goalie depth to make the trade, but also because they have the exact type of depth forwards Edmonton really needs.


I think Jenner would be a nice addition for Edmonton, but the trade just doesn't work for the Oilers. Besides they'd have to move Kassian or Yamamoto and play Foegele on RW in order to make room on the roster for Jenner. Holland is not going to trade Yamamoto in order to add Jenner, and he isn't going to dump Kassian either.
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La trade seems fine, not sure LA wants Laine though as he is very one dimensional on the ice and needs a bounce back year to get that kind of a return.

EDM trade, not a chance Columbus moves Jenner was was extended like 2 weeks ago, rumblings around the team suggest he will be the next captain or at least a major part of the leadership group.

MIN trade - I don’t see either team making, Domi is out until mid December / early January, and Columbus doesn’t need another defensive minded forward (The picks probably wouldn’t be involved at this point).
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But why would Edmonton want Korpisalo? They're trying to become a contender, so downgrading their goaltending isn't a good move for them.


Yeah again I don't disagree, but also; why would they then ship off Bear? Give Nurse over 9 mil? Extend Barrie at an inflated cap hit? Sign Cody Ceci at all?

I'm not saying I would do it in their position. I do however think me and Ken Holland agree descriptively on what the Oilers issues are. The presriptive part however is speculative - and this is one speculation I had.
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Yeah again I don't disagree, but also; why would they then ship off Bear? Give Nurse over 9 mil? Extend Barrie at an inflated cap hit? Sign Cody Ceci at all?

I'm not saying I would do it in their position. I do however think me and Ken Holland agree descriptively on what the Oilers issues are. The presriptive part however is speculative - and this is one speculation I had.

It's a nonsensical speculation though. You don't "fix" a problem by making it worse.
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La trade seems fine, not sure LA wants Laine though as he is very one dimensional on the ice and needs a bounce back year to get that kind of a return.

EDM trade, not a chance Columbus moves Jenner was was extended like 2 weeks ago, rumblings around the team suggest he will be the next captain or at least a major part of the leadership group.

MIN trade - I don’t see either team making, Domi is out until mid December / early January, and Columbus doesn’t need another defensive minded forward (The picks probably wouldn’t be involved at this point).


Yeah this isn't my evaluation of Laine, it's more a projection of league perception. I also take 2 years of Quick at 5.8 and below .900 into consideration.

Oh. I missed the Jenner extension. I do however think Columbus has too many middle-6 type forwards and should make some type of roster moves to hand more opportunity to the younger group of those players, while also gathering picks / shedding salary for picks.

Sure. If you read my previous comments I would have thought a team like Minnesota would be willing to take a chance on some offensive upside (them being defensively strong). That trade was more about Domi thank Rask, but if he's out it seems unlikely. Maybe if he comes back streaking he'd be an interesting deadline acquisition
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It's a nonsensical speculation though. You don't "fix" a problem by making it worse.


I never said I was out to "fix" the problem. I said "maybe this is something Edmonton and Columbus would do"
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I never said I was out to "fix" the problem. I said "maybe this is something Edmonton and Columbus would do"


Thats totally illogical though. Edmonton is trying to get better in the short-term, Columbus isn't. So it doesn't make sense for Edmonton to downgrade at any position for any reason - and they certainly aren't paying do get worse.
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Thats totally illogical though. Edmonton is trying to get better in the short-term, Columbus isn't. So it doesn't make sense for Edmonton to downgrade at any position for any reason - and they certainly aren't paying do get worse.


You're missing my point.

Plenty of teams do plenty of things that isn't in accordance with their ambition. I'm saying maybe Holland believes that this is a goaltending upgrade.
9 août 2021 à 16 h 38
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You're missing my point.

Plenty of teams do plenty of things that isn't in accordance with their ambition. I'm saying maybe Holland believes that this is a goaltending upgrade.


Maybe. Clearly you do, and I'm here to tell you it's not.
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Maybe. Clearly you do, and I'm here to tell you it's not.


"Clearly you do" when I literally said it wasn't.

If you're trying to argue Koskinen is better than Korpisalo - find someone else to do it with. I've literally never said it. In fact I've said the opposite in these comments.
 
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