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Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 3 août 2021
Publié: 3 août 2021
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What if Sens had decided to keep their 2019 1st rounder, and sent the 2018 1st to COL in the Duchene trade?
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  1. Tkachuk, Brady [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Sanderson, Jake [Liste de réserve]
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If they had got Byram instead of Tkachuk, the likelihood of them picking Sanderson in 2020 draft would've decreased quite a bit due to the amount of LDs in this team. They probably would've taken the top forward ranked in the prospect pool, which was Rossi on many papers.
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  1. Bernard-Docker, Jacob
  2. Mete, Victor [Droits de RFA]
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Prospect and waiver claim swap.
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VGK
  1. Holden, Nick
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (VAN)
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Given their lack of forwards, the Dadonov trade makes no sense anymore.
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No real need here anymore.
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3 août 2021 à 11 h 56
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Buffalo says no.
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3 août 2021 à 11 h 58
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Buffalo says no.


Doubt it. Fits their needs pretty well given they don't have top 4 RHD prospects aside from Jokiharju.
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3 août 2021 à 11 h 59
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Buffalo says no.


You clearly don’t know Bernard Docker. He’s our best right D prospect will be a top 4D.

Ottawa would basically decline every trade.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 0
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I know this is a hypothetical but Sanderson is going to be extremely valuable for Ottawa. He’s going to be more valuable than Chabot imo because of his 2 way abilities.

Also I’m glad we got Tkachuk over Byram
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 1
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This is definitely a much more cursed alternative history for what the Sens Could be.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 1
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I know this is a hypothetical but Sanderson is going to be extremely valuable for Ottawa. He’s going to be more valuable than Chabot imo because of his 2 way abilities.

Also I’m glad we got Tkachuk over Byram


Agreed. I do think OTT is better off how they currently are.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 1
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I know this is a hypothetical but Sanderson is going to be extremely valuable for Ottawa. He’s going to be more valuable than Chabot imo because of his 2 way abilities.

Also I’m glad we got Tkachuk over Byram


I’m actually surprised you think he’s gonna be better than Chabot cause Chabot is pretty damn good.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 3
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This is definitely a much more cursed alternative history for what the Sens Could be.


Yep. In retrospect, Dorion made some right decisions.
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I’m actually surprised you think he’s gonna be better than Chabot cause Chabot is pretty damn good.


Chabot is very good I agree. But he’s more of an offensive Dman who’s okay defensively. But Sanderson will be eating all the tough minutes, will play everywhere too. He’s the guy you’d roll out against other teams top lines as well as start transition play.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 3
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You clearly don’t know Bernard Docker. He’s our best right D prospect will be a top 4D.

Ottawa would basically decline every trade.


It's just the Sabres fan auto-reply right now. Understandable since the Eichel trades are all over the place.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 4
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It's just the Sabres fan auto-reply right now. Understandable since the Eichel trades are all over the place.


Hahahahaha
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 5
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Chabot is very good I agree. But he’s more of an offensive Dman who’s okay defensively. But Sanderson will be eating all the tough minutes, will play everywhere too. He’s the guy you’d roll out against other teams top lines as well as start transition play.


Is he signed yet or another year in college?
3 août 2021 à 12 h 8
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Is he signed yet or another year in college?


Not signed yet. Probably in college, given the amount of LDs currently in Ottawa. They wouldn't have brought in Del Zotto and Holden if Sanderson was coming this year.
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Is he signed yet or another year in college?


Another year. I Think he joins the team after the upcoming season. He’s pretty much nhl ready right now . He also has been playing both sides LD and RD so that’s very interesting. Wonder if he becomes Chabots partner
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 9
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Another year. I Think he joins the team after the upcoming season. He’s pretty much nhl ready right now . He also has been playing both sides LD and RD so that’s very interesting. Wonder if he becomes Chabots partner


I could see that being a nasty pairing. They’d prolly play upwards of 24-25 minutes a night together and be pretty dominant imo.
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I could see that being a nasty pairing. They’d prolly play upwards of 24-25 minutes a night together and be pretty dominant imo.


It's like Chabot-EK but without no completely offensive D-man or a right shot player.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 11
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I could see that being a nasty pairing. They’d prolly play upwards of 24-25 minutes a night together and be pretty dominant imo.


More like Werenski-Jones in their primes.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 12
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It's like Chabot-EK but without no completely offensive D-man or a right shot player.


I personally feel like the handedness is sometimes blown out of proportion. If one of them is comfortable on the right side, I don’t see anything wrong with pairing them together. But that’s just my opinion.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 12
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More like Werenski-Jones in their primes.


Fantastic comparison.
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 14
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You're severely undervaluing JBD and Mete.

Also, if we gave the 2018 1st to Colorado and kept the 2019 1st, we would have drafted a centerman instead of Byram.

Most likely Alex Turcotte imo.
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You're severely undervaluing JBD and Mete.

Also, if we gave the 2018 1st to Colorado and kept the 2019 1st, we would have drafted a centerman instead of Byram.

Most likely Alex Turcotte imo.


Honestly if I was a gm in 2019, I would’ve drafted Zegras at 3. I thought he was the best centre after Hughes at the time and I still think that
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You're severely undervaluing JBD and Mete.

Also, if we gave the 2018 1st to Colorado and kept the 2019 1st, we would have drafted a centerman instead of Byram.

Most likely Alex Turcotte imo.


Maybe, although Byram was top D prospect available in the draft and OTT had little to no D prospects at the time.

I've heard both BUF and OTT fans complaining about the value in that trade so it seems more or less fair to me at this point. Mete doesn't really have trade value, he was just dumped to waivers.
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Maybe, although Byram was top D prospect available in the draft and OTT had little to no D prospects at the time.

I've heard both BUF and OTT fans complaining about the value in that trade so it seems more or less fair to me at this point. Mete doesn't really have trade value, he was just dumped to waivers.


Even if they had the same value, I’d take the RD over the winger. I think JBD will be a top 4D and Peterka a middle 6 winger
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3 août 2021 à 12 h 23
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Even if they had the same value, I’d take the RD over the winger. I think JBD will be a top 4D and Peterka a middle 6 winger


I trust Ottawa scouts. They scouted Stutzle a lot, they could’ve taken him at 28 and 32 and didn’t with either pick. They probably don’t see him as a top 6F.
3 août 2021 à 12 h 31
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Maybe, although Byram was top D prospect available in the draft and OTT had little to no D prospects at the time.

I've heard both BUF and OTT fans complaining about the value in that trade so it seems more or less fair to me at this point. Mete doesn't really have trade value, he was just dumped to waivers.


At the time, we already moved out Duchene and Dzingel when he was in his prime.

We were planning to move out Pageau by the trade deadline of the following year and there were growing concerns that Logan Brown was turning into a bust.

We also traded Stone for Brannstrom.

With Chabot and Brannstrom now in our back pocket at the time as our two main LDs, the odds that we would have drafted Byram had to have dropped significantly.

All signs would have pointed to drafting a centreman like Turcotte at 4th overall in 2019.



This trade between Ottawa and Buffalo might be fair.

But if the trade is not in your interests, you don't go ahead of it, regardless of how fair it is.

Mete might not have any trade value but we did claim him off waivers and he played decently for us down the stretch.

No reason to move him.
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