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If we cheated like the lightning and used LTIR

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16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 24
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Okay but Kucherov was injured.
16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 26
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Okay but Kucherov was injured.


Regardless of recovery timeline, people seem to forget the whole surgery on his hip that actually happened and wasn’t faked.
16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 27
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That Vegas trade is terrible for the Jets.
Windjammer a aimé ceci.
16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 30
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The injury timeline was maybe debatable but he was actually injured, and had surgery.

You just threw some of your highest paid guys onto LTIR.
That’s not how it works.
16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 38
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Your missing the all world talent of kucherov, only a handful of guys could pull off what he did, most guys would look like a royal **** sandwich after missing that much time or right back onto the injury list.
16 juill. 2021 à 19 h 48
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How is it cheating by following the rules?

Having your best players injured until playoffs doesn't matter when you can't even win a single game against a team that shouldn't even have made the playoffs. In fact, Winnipeg showed that even losing 1 of their top 6 centres screws them. This team has further issues than adding Landeskog and Hamilton and honestly I doubt this team even makes playoffs with the way you've constructed it
17 juill. 2021 à 0 h 39
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Quoting: TrueCanuck
This team has further issues than adding Landeskog and Hamilton and honestly I doubt this team even makes playoffs with the way you've constructed it


I’m really curious to know what issues this roster has? Other than Stanley as the #4, second pair D man (which might be a reach)?

The premise of this whole roster is all wrong, the NHL needs to approve any LTIR placements, and Kuch did have a viable LTIR injury. The return at the very start of the playoffs when there is no cap is definitely a bit... unique... but the NHL investigated and it was within the rules.
17 juill. 2021 à 1 h 2
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I’m really curious to know what issues this roster has? Other than Stanley as the #4, second pair D man (which might be a reach)?

The premise of this whole roster is all wrong, the NHL needs to approve any LTIR placements, and Kuch did have a viable LTIR injury. The return at the very start of the playoffs when there is no cap is definitely a bit... unique... but the NHL investigated and it was within the rules.


The issue is that you've misread the main problem and not addressed it: offensive creativity.
Outside of Schiefele and Ehlers last season, Winnipeg had no body driving play and creating offensive scoring chances for themselves or their teammates. That was even more evident when Schiefele was suspended and all Montreal had to do was focus in on Ehlers. Their defence was actually fine, it wasn't the problem. But when the team doesn't create offence, they can't score goals and cause the defence to be even stingier which makes every little mistake by the defence that much much glaring.
All that's been added here is Landeskog, who's a great secondary player but he's more the bang and crash style player to go get the puck for the other guys out of the corner, and Saad who's nothing more than a finisher. Both of those guys aren't play drivers and don't create offence. Winnipeg would still be hard stretch to score goals when needed.
Then on the back end, this user has just replaced Morrissey with Martinez (very similar play styles) and brought in Hamilton who's the same play styles as Pionk. It just makes no sense and doesn't address what the team really needs which is offensively creative forwards.
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17 juill. 2021 à 11 h 1
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I agree with your offensive analysis, it’s well thought out and reasoned, thank you. I do think that Dubois, if he plays as well as he did in 19-20 will add another dimension to the forward core, and Prefetti will add that dimension to the top 6 by 22-23. Landeskog and Saad are the wrong players to replace Wheeler and Stastny in the top 6 regardless of the rest of the roster.

On D, I do disagree. The advance metrics on puck retrieval and zone entries and exists are horrible.

The zone entries, I see two issues. The first is the forwards. Too often there is poor back pressure through the neutral zone. Scheifele and Conner are frequent culprits of this. The simple don’t play a 200 foot game consistently. They NEED to improve. This opens the d-gap and other teams enter the zone too easily. If you watch Morrisey, when he plays with AHL/NHL tweeter partners, his gap (and zone denial) metrics are garbage....why, his gaps aren’t nearly as good. He doesn’t trust his partner the same way he trusts Demelo, a good, if not great Top 4 d. Is this Morrissey’s fault, most Winnipeg fans blame him, I don’t. His partners aren’t good enough. The Jets need to solve this. Demelo is an option though.

Pionk needs a true top 4 partner. Stanley is a huge risk as a top 4 d next year. So the Jets need to sign at least 1 top 4 D. Martinez would be a great addition. Hamilton is a pipe dream luxury. If Demelo is your #5 team, you have a strong D, if he’s your #2/3D, you need work on the back end. Heinola could be really good, but he needs to develop a lot to reach his potential. Where he does that, I think in the NHL on the left side of the 3rd pairing, against players not named MacKinnon and Patrick Kane.
19 juill. 2021 à 14 h 24
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You paid Stanley HOW MUCH?
19 juill. 2021 à 14 h 37
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Okay but Kucherov was injured.


He faked injury (not saying he did just a theory)
19 juill. 2021 à 14 h 42
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He faked injury (not saying he did just a theory)


You don't undergo a surgery for a fake injury. You can question the time TBL decided to make the procedure or if he was ready before the end of the regular season but the injury itself, that's far-fetched.
19 juill. 2021 à 14 h 44
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You don't undergo a surgery for a fake injury. You can question the time TBL decided to make the procedure or if he was ready before the end of the regular season but the injury itself, that's far-fetched.


Well if you think about it look how good Kucherov was in the playoffs, that shouldn’t happen for someone who missed the entire season and had surgery that would never regularly never happen I’m not gonna call out the lightning yet but that’s really fishy
19 juill. 2021 à 15 h 19
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Well if you think about it look how good Kucherov was in the playoffs, that shouldn’t happen for someone who missed the entire season and had surgery that would never regularly never happen I’m not gonna call out the lightning yet but that’s really fishy


Players can fully recover and come back to their level of play. Kucherov was probably ready at some point in April that's why
 
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