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Contingency Planning for most possible outcomes

Créé par: Sagecoll
Date de création initiale: 16 juin 2021
Publié: 1 juill. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Explications
Mika trade done before Expansion draft.
Eichel trade done post Expansion draft
Dvorak trade done post Entry Draft
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel56 250 000 $
Chytil, Filip32 450 000 $
Gauthier, Julien2990 000 $
Shesterkin, Igor65 450 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
McCabe, Jake11 080 000 $
Bonino, Nick22 000 000 $
Lindgren, Charlie1750 000 $
Pysyk, Mark11 100 000 $
Sceviour, Colton1800 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
    SEA
    1. Blackwell, Colin
    2.
    NYR
    1. Dumba, Matt
    2. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Liste de réserve]
    3. 2021 1e round pick (PIT)
    4. 2022 2e round pick (MIN)
    MIN
    1. Zibanejad, Mika (1 350 000 $ retained)
    3.
    NYR
    1. Eichel, Jack
    BUF
    1. Strome, Ryan
    2. Schneider, Braden
    3. Howden, Brett [Droits de RFA]
    4. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
    5. 2021 1e round pick (PIT)
    4.
    NYR
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    ARI
    1. Dumba, Matt
    2. Lindbom, Olof [Liste de réserve]
    3. 2022 2e round pick (MIN)
    5.
    NYR
    1. Carpenter, Ryan
    2. 2023 7e round pick (CHI)
    CHI
    1. Hájek, Libor [Droits de RFA]
    Rachats de contrats
    • Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
    • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
    • Brad Richards: 0 $
    • Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Mika Zibanejad: 1 350 000 $ (25.23%)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
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    2022
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    2023
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    2024
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2181 500 000 $77 490 635 $0 $8 400 000 $4 009 365 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
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    Buchnevich, Pavel
    6 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    Logo de NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    11 642 857 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de NYR
    Chytil, Filip
    2 450 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
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    Kreider, Chris
    6 500 000 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
    Logo de NYR
    Kravtsov, Vitali
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de CHI
    Carpenter, Ryan
    1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 1
    Bonino, Nick
    2 000 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Gauthier, Julien
    990 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Miller, K'Andre
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Fox, Adam
    925 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    5 450 000 $
    G
    UFA - 4
    Logo de NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    3 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 3
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    Lundkvist, Nils
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
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    Georgiev, Alexandar
    2 425 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
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    Jones, Zachary
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
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    Trouba, Jacob
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    McCabe, Jake
    1 080 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Équipe de réserve
    Logo de NYR
    Rooney, Kevin
    750 000 $ (0 $)
    AG, C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Pysyk, Mark
    1 100 000 $ (0 $)
    DD, AD
    UFA - 1
    Sceviour, Colton
    800 000 $ (0 $)
    AD, C
    UFA - 1

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Panarin, A.
    Eichel, J.
    Lafrenière, A.
    Kreider, C.
    Fox, A.
    Avantage numérique 2
    Lundkvist, N.
    Buchnevich, P.
    Kakko, K.
    Kravtsov, V.
    Jones, Z.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Carpenter, R.
    Buchnevich, P.
    Miller, K.
    Fox, A.
    Infériorité numérique 2
    Gauthier, J.
    Kakko, K.
    Lindgren, R.
    Trouba, J.

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    1 juill. 2021 à 11 h 55
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    Zibanejad trade only works for Minnesota if he has a reasonable extension in place.
    1 juill. 2021 à 11 h 56
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    If I'm Guerin I take this. I've wanted Zibanejad for years. Just hope he'd re-sign if we did this.
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    1 juill. 2021 à 11 h 58
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    Quoting: TanSor
    If I'm Guerin I take this. I've wanted Zibanejad for years. Just hope he'd re-sign if we did this.


    This is way too much value to give up if he doesn't already come with an extension.
    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 1
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    Quoting: Caerii
    This is way too much value to give up if he doesn't already come with an extension.


    It's definitely a lot, I'm just a huge Zibanejad fan
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    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 1
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    Quoting: Caerii
    This is way too much value to give up if he doesn't already come with an extension.



    It's too much value to give up even if he does. The Eichel trade is also supremely lopsided in favor of the Rangers.
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    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 19
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    Not enough for Eichel but good luck next offseason
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    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 21
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    It's too much value to give up even if he does. The Eichel trade is also supremely lopsided in favor of the Rangers.


    I could stomach it if he has a return, but he's still not my first choice. I have no idea why Wild fans still want to give out big contracts to other teams UFA's who are leaving their primes and about to enter their 30s though. We've complained about that for years, yet they turn around and keep making the same mistakes.
    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 46
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    1) Mika Z age will make him highly likely to not be wanted even with wild needing C by wild gm whose moves has been to go younger

    2) Even with Mika being close to Zuccarello, he's going to want a boatload, & doubt he resigns with Minnesota

    3) Minnesota wild traded Luke kunin so Judd brackett can select Marat Khusnutdinov. So not to be disrespectful but highly doubt wild trade Marat
    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 47
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Zibanejad trade only works for Minnesota if he has a reasonable extension in place.


    Guerin is welcome to negotiate one!

    Not really the Rangers responsibility there to get that done.
    1 juill. 2021 à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Guerin is welcome to negotiate one!

    Not really the Rangers responsibility there to get that done.


    Sure, but you're not getting this return until Guerin has an extension in place.
    1 juill. 2021 à 13 h 25
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    Chicago would accept this
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    1 juill. 2021 à 13 h 32
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Sure, but you're not getting this return until Guerin has an extension in place.


    As was said.. it’s not the Rangers responsibility to negotiate one and it has no impact on the return.

    Though not sure what you mean about the return…

    Mika would be the best traded C in about a decade. I’m not sure why you’d expect the return to be less.

    At this point Dumba appears to be expansion fodder with the number of teams with expansion protection slots, cap space and assets to trade In return amounting to less than a handful.

    Khusnutdinov at this point is maybe 6th or 7th on the prospect depth chart. And at least 2-3 years away from touching the NHL if he even makes it.

    And the pick is late in a poor draft.

    The Wild would’ve literally traded no one who would be on the roster next year nor any of their top 5 prospects for what would be the best Center in the Wild’s franchise history.

    If there’s any side that would be complaining about the return it’s not the Wild haha.
    1 juill. 2021 à 13 h 34
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    As was said.. it’s not the Rangers responsibility to negotiate one and it has no impact on the return.

    Though not sure what you mean about the return…



    It means you're not getting this return you've asked for unless Guerin is able to negotiate an extension prior to the trade. It's a really simple concept, it shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
    If Guerin can't negotiate an extension prior to the trade taking place, you won't get this much in return.
    1 juill. 2021 à 14 h 8
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    Quoting: Caerii
    It means you're not getting this return you've asked for unless Guerin is able to negotiate an extension prior to the trade. It's a really simple concept, it shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
    If Guerin can't negotiate an extension prior to the trade taking place, you won't get this much in return.


    LOL ok cool - Guerin's allowed to negotiate an extension. Enjoy.
    1 juill. 2021 à 19 h 58
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    I mean theres no issue with the value on the CHI trade, but it just adds another LD in the mix and someone we likely don't have a spot to protect.
    1 juill. 2021 à 21 h 12
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    I mean theres no issue with the value on the CHI trade, but it just adds another LD in the mix and someone we likely don't have a spot to protect.


    I don't think protection is much of an issue there. Stillman/Zadorov would get picked before Hajek. Or if Keith is traded, it'll more likely be a F like Hagel/Connolly/Borgstrom
    1 juill. 2021 à 21 h 16
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    I don't think protection is much of an issue there. Stillman/Zadorov would get picked before Hajek. Or if Keith is traded, it'll more likely be a F like Hagel/Connolly/Borgstrom


    Stillman and Z would b getting protected if Keith goes, Hagel and Borgstrom would also likely be protected. Adding Hajek would mean one of Stillman or Z would be unprotected and my guess is Z due to the costs associated with his next contract. I also think the leaked press release is to put Seattle off of taking him.
    2 juill. 2021 à 10 h 26
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    It's too much value to give up even if he does. The Eichel trade is also supremely lopsided in favor of the Rangers.


    If you want a bona fide 1C you have to part with a lot....just the way it works since most real good teams are built out through the C position. Using this year for example some of the teams with the highest aspirations fell short largely due to weakness down the middle (Veg, COL (after Kadri out), TOR (after JT injured), etc).

    As far as Eichel value...if his neck was of no concern there is almost no reasonable trade that BUF could demand which any other team would make. But the neck issue creates a world of uncertainty for which no one knows the return will be...Big game of poker here- and time does not favor BUF. The package listed here might actually be more generous than it has to be.
    2 juill. 2021 à 10 h 30
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    Quoting: Jimbo1119
    If you want a bona fide 1C you have to part with a lot....just the way it works since most real good teams are built out through the C position. Using this year for example some of the teams with the highest aspirations fell short largely due to weakness down the middle (Veg, COL (after Kadri out), TOR (after JT injured), etc).

    As far as Eichel value...if his neck was of no concern there is almost no reasonable trade that BUF could demand which any other team would make. But the neck issue creates a world of uncertainty for which no one knows the return will be...Big game of poker here- and time does not favor BUF. The package listed here might actually be more generous than it has to be.


    1- Heh. The Blues certainly didn't.

    2- Yeah, I don;t agree with that. The package has to be 1) what Buffalo will accept & at the same time 2) what won't be bested by other teams.
    2 juill. 2021 à 10 h 38
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    If you want a bona fide 1C you have to part with a lot....just the way it works since most real good teams are built out through the C position. Using this year for example some of the teams with the highest aspirations fell short largely due to weakness down the middle (Veg, COL (after Kadri out), TOR (after JT injured), etc).

    As far as Eichel value...if his neck was of no concern there is almost no reasonable trade that BUF could demand which any other team would make. But the neck issue creates a world of uncertainty for which no one knows the return will be...Big game of poker here- and time does not favor BUF. The package listed here might actually be more generous than it has to be.


    Yeah I mean there's a non-zero possibility that Eichel doesn't play hockey again following this surgery, and an almost probable likelihood he's not the same player he was.

    I don't think most fans - particularly Buffalo fans - have come to terms with that yet.

    This isn't Philly dealing for Lindros from Quebec. This is the Rangers dealing for Lindros from Philly.
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    2 juill. 2021 à 13 h 44
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    1- Heh. The Blues certainly didn't.

    2- Yeah, I don;t agree with that. The package has to be 1) what Buffalo will accept & at the same time 2) what won't be bested by other teams.


    1. Not sure who you're thinking of (ROR?) regarding that 1st response- if so this exchange for Mika isn't far from what that trade went for.
    2. What BUF will accept? They have minimal leverage here- other than (as you mention) interest of other teams....but every team realizes the risk associated with his neck.
    2 juill. 2021 à 13 h 48
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    1. Not sure who you're thinking of (ROR?) regarding that 1st response- if so this exchange for Mika isn't far from what that trade went for.
    2. What BUF will accept? They have minimal leverage here- other than (as you mention) interest of other teams....but every team realizes the risk associated with his neck.



    1- Yes, Papa O'Reilly. And I certainly would not expect every team to make the boneheaded trade Buffalo did.
    2- Not sure how you figure Buffalo has "minimal leverage". And yes, the interest of multiple teams pretty much cancels that theory out. Exactly.
    2 juill. 2021 à 14 h 24
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    1- Yes, Papa O'Reilly. And I certainly would not expect every team to make the boneheaded trade Buffalo did.
    2- Not sure how you figure Buffalo has "minimal leverage". And yes, the interest of multiple teams pretty much cancels that theory out. Exactly.


    1. Given that the some of the comments on this thread are about the return for Mika...I'm not exactly sure where you are going in criticizing BUF for their return in the ROR trade.
    2. Minimal leverage because time is not on BUF side....unless PT works wonders for his neck and he is ready to start the season and play at his usual level- yet there is no information out confirming anything close to this. If he demands a trade his value drops further...and if this goes beyond next year I believe movement clauses kick in- which also hurt their leverage. And yes- there are multiple teams "interested"...but risk vs (hoped for) reward will determine how interested these teams really are.
     
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