Lowry is a better representation of Danault, So I would say Lowry

Danault contributes quite a bit more offensively than Lowry, this year aside. I'd say he'll end up getting closer to RNH than Lowry.
But if Danault turned down 6x$5 already, I'm not sure how much more he should/would get.

I'd say RNH more so than Lowry, Danault is much better defensively than both guys, but has more offensive upside than Lowry. When guys like Scheifele and MacKinnon talk about how good Danault is, that's saying alot, he's a poor man's Bergeron... I'd guess Danault comes in around $5m for min 4 years...

When guys like Scheifele and MacKinnon talk about how good Danault is…

I am completely unsurprised learning that the three of them all have the same agents. Need to read between the lines…

I hope the Hawks offer Danault a 5 year $5.5M deal. So there's $10M reasons to go some place else. He'll REALLY have to want to stay in MTL.

I'm still sticking with Lowry. I agree that Danault is a lot better defensively that both. But, Danault isn't the kind of offensive producer guy. Lowry too does not produce too much but very aware defensively and he recieves a lot of PK time as well. RNH is the offensive guy more than defense

Except in the playoffs. Which is the time of year that actually matters.

$3.5mm is the right cap #. He’s either equally or slightly less important that Chiarot/Edmundson at shutting down top opposing players.

Others have also, but those were the main two that come to mind recently, Scheifele in his year end presser, and MacKinnon on Chiclets not long ago...

The only way all this weird pizza nonsense makes sense to me is if Danault has some kind of Boston Pizza or Pizza Hut sponsorship lined up. He can definitely be made whole with endorsements for whatever extra money he’d leave on the table to go somewhere else. Plus he has a young family here. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. He won’t have a goalie remotely close to Price’s calibre (or the top 4 shutdown D) wherever else he’d decide to go. At which point, the « elite shutdown center » quickly doesn’t look as elite anymore.

You’re right, Newport does have other players that they can direct to make statement on behalf of their clients as well. They don’t only have those two.

I watch both teams quite a bit, he's closer to RNH than Lowry, I'd point to the 19/20 season pre-covid lockdown, he was putting up a decent amount of points while playing a great defensive game, so his offensive upside is much higher than Lowry, while being better defensively, it's why I'd guess he comes in around $5m per year...

In general someone's gonna pay him at least 5mill +. Vegas, Boston, Minnesota, Florida and as you mentioned Chicago.

Dont get why people are comparing him to Lowry when on most other teams Danault would be top 6 and see increased production with better wings.

You suggesting these guys don't have a mind of their own??

And both have steals of contracts.. so really don’t get your point

The reason he put up those numbers at that time is because we had no better options at center at the time. That also happened to be a significantly below average hockey team.

We are not that team anymore, and Suzuki and KK both project to have their roles continue to grow going forwards.

Players don’t get paid for what they did in the past, they get paid for what they project to do going forwards. Danault is a third line center at best on a good team (main argument being that he can’t be counted on for any kind of offensive in the playoffs against quality teams).

With that said, absolutely he is valuable in a shutdown role. Same as Chiarot and Edmundson are also valuable at $3.5mm cap hit (playing even more minutes, mind you) while not being counted upon to produce much offense. I hope he stays, but if he wants max cash, he likely moves elsewhere. It wouldn’t be prudent for Bergevin to pay much more than this on this hockey team. We can find other much cheaper options for a defensive center. Again though, I hope he realizes that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side and decides to stay at a reasonable cap hit that fits with this team.

I’m suggesting that it is easy to conceive of players « doing their agents a favour » with a simple comment (that ultimately gets parroted over and over in places like this).

I don't know how well you can do math, but 5.5 Mil x 5 years (27.5 Mil) is less than what he turned down which was 5 Mil x 6 years (30 Mil) don't see why he signs that deal or where you get he has 10 Million reasons why he should?

How much did you think RNH would sign for?

You could have also made the argument that « in general someone’s gonna pay him at least $7mm » just cuz someone did pre Covid with Hayes, no?

Danault is on the record that he was never offered any contract from Bergevin. Said it in a live presser. Not sure where you get your information.

Re: math, they’re comparing total value of that hypothetical contract to what I put in my ACGM post above.

It's honestly not the first time I've heard of players pumping Danault's tires, and I can guarantee a few are not represented by the same agency, but I get what you're saying dawg!

My response was directed at Exo2769 not you wreckless

I’m aware. It answers your question just the same.

Here are some links to the stories

https://awinninghabit.com/2021/01/23/montreal-canadiens-phillip-danault-contract-2/

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/jan-2021/danault-reportedly-turned-down-6-year-offer-from-montreal

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-habs-phillip-danault-trying-not-to-think-about-contract

That one actually says neither side denied there was an offer or that it was rejected.

The team above shows $3.5M for Danault and I was proposing $5.5M. So $2M per year for 5 years = $10M...

2 x 5 = 10

Doesn't change the fact that reportedly he rejected a 5 Milx 6 year deal though.