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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 56
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>PLD is 24 what are you talking about</div></div>
You trade for one year of PLD. Then he’s a UFA and can go wherever he wants. And he wants to go to only one place.
Good luck getting the return you think you deserve.
His trade value is the 1 year rental price from a cup contender at the deadline (after you’ve already paid most of his contract out).
Late first round pick plus meh.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 53
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Exactly so it isn't comparable to a proven top 6 guy, so why even mention it</div></div>
It’s not comparable because PLD has less trade value. Not more. It’s the future that matters. Not the past.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 48
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I'm not a winnipeg fan.
Dach at that point had proven nothing. he had 9 goals playing top 6 minutes in 70 games the year before being traded. This was playing a lot of his minutes alongside some combo of Debrincat, Kane, Kubalik, and Hagel</div></div>
Past performance isn’t what determined his trade value. Hughes paid the price because of what value he thought Dach would provide to the Habs for 5 and potentially more years and at what cap hit.
No one is paying that price for PLD as a1 year rental. Habs included. Especially when we can just wait a year to sign him as a UFA.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 35
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Dach had 59 points in 3 years when that trade was made. Dubois has 58 points this year. Thats revisionist history</div></div>
5 prime RFA years, 4 at a 3.36mm cap hit for Dach.
1 year before UFA for a player who only wants to sign with one team.
Good luck to you and your myopia.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 31
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>any PLD trade needs a first as a base so remove Kapanen and make it the first the jets are retooling and need the pick as its the asset that defineds the trade</div></div>
I disagree with you that Chevy will prefer 27-32oa in 2024 plus meh rather than 37oa in 2023 plus Kidney plus Dvorak at a reasonable cap hit for 2 more years.
We will see though. Time will tell.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 22
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>Remember it needs to beat the rental offer and that 2023 first is a real boost to getting PLD for 7 years at a cheaper cap hit than if waiting for ufa. The get the benefit of ensuring PLD and getting him now for an affordable rate can be vital into the future on a deal with term. PLD is also a more established player in his own right with multiple seasons being a top 6 center while dach had injuries and bottom 6 time. There has to be some premium asset the jets get for him like the 17th over pick kidney kapanen and dvorak doesn't seem like that farfetched of an offer and makes sense all around</div></div>
I agree it needs to beat the rental offer. That’s not hard to do though. What I proposed above is a way to sign effectively a 9 year deal (to lower the cap hit). None of that likely matters though as Winnipeg’s best option will likely be to take the Habs’ package.
Right now the Florida pick would be 14oa. The Habs are rebuilding, which is why they would pay a 13oa for a player with 5 RFA years left in Dach. Hughes knew what he was getting. Apparently Chicago didn’t know what they were giving up. But it’s Hughes who matters for PLD, not Chicago. And there’s no other team in the league that is paying anywhere close to 14oa in this years deep draft for PLD. So that’s also likely moot.
If Winnipeg plays hardball, they’re getting a weak rental price (late first rounder) plus meh whatever else from a team who knows he won’t sign there long term, and no valuable roster C who can play now.
Kidney, Kapanen, Dvorak, and an early second rounder is nothing to sneeze at.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 21 h 4
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>And you probably won't either if you want to get him for free literally a feel like the florida 2023 first will set a lot of hab fans off love</div></div>
I doubt we give up the Florida 1st. Hughes paid 13oa and 66oa for 4 years of Dach at a reasonable cap hit and the contract expires with him still a RFA.
A 1 year PLD rental price? Way less.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 57
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>The likelihood he's traded to mtl just make too much sense based in what everyone has stated from discussion between the gms, KH willing to make a dach like deal, Dubois wanting out. We can be upset together as you don't want to trade for him and likely do and I would realistically want more but both of us will have to live with a deal that is mid</div></div>
Hughes will trade for him for sure. But Jets fans definitely won’t like the return.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 46
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>I'd love to watch him play is he playing right now... oh wait he's out for the season with a leg injury that requires surgery. He simply is a Lowry 2.0 and that's not even from me I've read enough on here from hab fans to know that man is just there pretty much and doesn't match the team or the timeline and likely is the first casualty to sending cap out for a non negative return (armia may be first idk)</div></div>
He’ll be back start of the season. In case you haven’t been paying attention, we’re letting the kids play, and tanking to have the best shot at Bedard.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 45
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>That's if you actually get him lol you're the guy that thought that Edmundson and Monahan were worth a 1st each so idk who's more crazy on the valuation. Look at other instances trouba still got a first and good dman in pionk. Just because a player wants to play somewhere does it mean that the team always waits until their a ufa.</div></div>
Edmundson is worth a 1st. We’ll get it next year if we don’t keep him. I said a second most likely for Monahan (at half salary) but his injury not improving killed that.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 36
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>Yk we can still trade him as a rental and based on his size and game would be a damn good rental deal if ror gets a first and decent prospect then the jets should be able to get a similar if not better package that fits their needs better than a purposeful low ball. Hey you do you if you want to hope he sticks to his word and signs a deal as a ufa go right ahead, definitely gonna be a bigger cap hit as well as contract structure</div></div>
Abramov and probably the 27th ish overall pick. Amazing return.
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Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 33
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>willinlisbon</b></div><div>I've said it many times here before and what Jets fans don't seem to understand is that PLD and Hughes are in complete control on this.
1. If the Jets look to make a deal with ANY other club, that club is going to ask to speak to PLD before any deal is finalized given the rumors of him wanting to come to the Habs. No team is going to give up what the Jets will be looking for if they'll only be getting PLD for one year and then lose him for nothing in return as a UFA.
2. Given the point above, and the fact that Hughes knows that the Jets are desperate to at least get something/anything for PLD....he can play the waiting game and then low ball the offer. The longer the Jets hold off....the offer starts to become lower and lower.
If/when Hughes pulls off this trade it will be considered the steal of the century</div></div>
Many Jets fans “believe” that Dvorak isn’t a good player. Yet most of those who hold that opinion have also probably not seen him play more than 10 games. Probably many not more than 5 games.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 mars à 20 h 30
Sujet:
Since Winnipeg passes on Montreal PLD trade offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>I'd argue that with this new info some habs deals have gotten worse the more and more Dubois gets linked like sure but you run risk of overpaying him as a ufa and might be stolen away with the right team and cap (5% ain't nothing) so we'll happily take the rental price and watch as hab fans complain they didn't pony up for him</div></div>
Don’t need to overpay when the player wants to play here. We’ll find a number that works for both sides.
A 1-2 punch of Suzuki and PLD for the next decade is gonna br awesome!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 févr. à 20 h 46
Sujet:
TDL March 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>stoyzz</b></div><div>habs fans are the most delusional thinking monahan without retained salary is worth more than a 3rd</div></div>
Depends how healthy he is. None of us know the answer to that. He was playing great before he got hurt though. A conditional pick could make a ton of sense in his case, depending on games played.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 févr. à 20 h 44
Sujet:
TDL March 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Howie</b></div><div>You're not getting anything for a guy who can't even play rn let alone a first</div></div>
He’s fully healthy now. Full contact practice again. Habs and Oilers probably have had this trade agreed to for awhile now. There was no point risking him getting hurt. And the Habs needed to play their young D. Made the most sense for him to max bulk up in the gym these past months.
Kulak was worth a second. Edmundson is worth more than a first.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 févr. à 12 h 27
Sujet:
PLD as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pbesner30</b></div><div>The defense is still looking awful</div></div>
We’ll see how Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, Mailloux, and Barron develop in the 1.5 years between now and then. Still lots of cap space to add UFA D though also.
We can’t all be as fortunate as the Bruins looks at the position currently.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 déc. 2022 à 15 h 48
Sujet:
Sean Monahan for two seconds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mental_yuppi</b></div><div>Right, so we helping them at a major discount only to improve their team and downgrade the position of the unprotected 1st WE OWN, makes too much sense ... not</div></div>
They’re trading picks to improve their team, whether it’s to us or someone else. Naive to act like we’re the only team in the league.
Don’t get me wrong though, Monahan is getting dealt to the highest bidder, whoever that may be.
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Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 11 h 37
Sujet:
Sean Monahan for two seconds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Otterisgoat</b></div><div>Its would take 2 seconds to move out hornqvist all alone</div></div>
Yep, the way I saw this, we were offering a discount, because they already paid full value on Chiarot.
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Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 11 h 9
Sujet:
Edmundson and Klingberg to the Oilers this week
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Klingberg feels like a bad fit for an Oilers team that already has Tyson Barrie. How many PP QBs do you need, especially on a team with McDavid & Draisaitl?</div></div>
Fair enough. Edmundson and which forward?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 11 h 9
Sujet:
Edmundson and Klingberg to the Oilers this week
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>guess we'll have to move that bum Matthews to make some cap for such an elite talent.
wouldn't take anderson on waivers.</div></div>
You sound triggered. Cant wait until Matthews walks to UFA. Goes to the Rangers, Leafs get nothing. Full NMC his last year.
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Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 10 h 41
Sujet:
Edmundson and Klingberg to the Oilers this week
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>bruh a team with nurse as the #1D and Janmark-Ryan in the top 6 is not winning the cup. Plus arguably two of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league on D in Barrie and Klingberg. Certainly not like the Oilers forwards are going to play defense to make up for it either.
At best they make to the WCF because their division is mega trash other than Vegas. But they would lose to Vegas.
#SaveMcDrai</div></div>
It’s too bad you guys don’t have the cap space for Josh Anderson. He would dominate over there. Crazy LTIR things have been known to happen though…
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Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 10 h 39
Sujet:
Edmundson and Klingberg to the Oilers this week
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsfan2121</b></div><div>You can’t have Barrie and John on the same team</div></div>
True, prob makes more sense to just focus on Edmundson and maybe another forward.
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Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2022 à 10 h 38
Sujet:
Edmundson and Klingberg to the Oilers this week
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Verbeek probably holds out until the deadline looking for a 2023 1st</div></div>
Could also throw in an extra pick or prospect maybe.
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Armchair-GM
10 déc. 2022 à 21 h 59
Sujet:
Josh Anderson for the 2024 28th to 32nd overall pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheMooterus</b></div><div>So you post this trade, get ridiculed (rightfully) in the comments for overvaluing Anderson & instead of reevaluating your valuation of him, you not only keep the same trade, but you add a 5th round pick to the return package.
Again, Dallas doesn't do this. They are much better off moving Dellandrea or Johnston up to the 2nd line than picking up a 35-point winger with $27.5M remaining on a 5-year contract. You keep bringing up the Chiarot and Lehknonen trades, but you fail to mention the most glaringly obvious difference. Both players last year were on expiring contracts. If Florida or Colorado had to pay for 4 more years of an overpriced contract, you don't see the same return (which could still be argued was an overpayment).
Montreal gave him the contract; it's their issue for AT LEAST the next 3 seasons, especially with the questions surrounding the salary cap.</div></div>
You though Chiarot was overpaid. And then Steve Yzerman game him a 36% raise and a 4 year term. But what does he know about building a cup winner. Except when he played. Oh, and that other team he built down south too…
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Armchair-GM
10 déc. 2022 à 21 h 55
Sujet:
Josh Anderson for the 2024 28th to 32nd overall pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>With this logic, no executive has ever made a bad move.
It absolutely can. GMs take countless bad decisions every year and they aren't infaillibles.</div></div>
Bad contracts are those which can’t be moved. And by your own admission, that is what « will » happen for Anderson.
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