Seth Jones Deal and the rest

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Créé par: Unbiased_Hawks_Fan

Équipe: 2021-22 Blackhawks de Chicago

Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2021

Publié: 17 juin 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Ok, so.... Really the big focus on this is the Jones trade. Try not to get too much into the other trades or the lines.

News came out today about what it would take to get Seth Jones. Us hawks fans weren't too crazy about the potential asking price. Here is the spin I would take on it....

Yes there is risk trading for Jones, and yes his season this year was awful, but in order to acquire a No.1 defense you must take some sort of risk. Let alone the fact that the Blue Jackets as a whole had a miserable season. I personally am fine with getting rid of Mitchell. I like bigger defensemen, and if you're gonna trade away a prospect that could (potentially) become a No.1 (I say this sarcastically), then you should go out and get a No.1.

As for Blue Jacket fans, I am sorry for your loss. And unfortunately because Seth Jones had such a bad season, mix that with the fact that he is asking to leave, I cannot give you Dach or Boqvist. If you persuade me a little more, I can maybe give you a 1st.

I want to hear from Hawks Fans, Jacket Fans, and even get an unbiased approach from other fans. Lemme know what y'all think!

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Kämpf, David	2	1 250 000 $
Nylander, Alexander	2	1 000 000 $
Zadorov, Nikita	4	4 000 000 $
Hagel, Brandon	2	1 250 000 $
Gaudette, Adam	2	900 000 $

Transactions

CHI

Expansion Draft

SEA

De Haan, Calvin

CHI

Jones, Seth

CBJ

Mitchell, Ian
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CHI)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (CHI)

CHI

Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (WSH)

WSH

Strome, Dylan

CHI

Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

NJD

Suter, Pius [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Some sort of sign and trade. Sorry to everyone that likes Suter, but this team is getting crowded and with the addition of Borgstrom, it only makes sense that we move him.

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Olli Määttä: 750 108 $ (18.37%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	61 426 843 $	452 439 $	4 265 000 $	20 073 157 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kubalik, Dominik 3 700 000 $3 700 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Toews, Jonathan 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Hagel, Brandon 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AG UFA - 3
DeBrincat, Alex 6 400 000 $6 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Dach, Kirby 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C, AD RFA - 1	Kane, Patrick 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 2
Kurashev, Philipp 842 500 $842 500 $ (32 500 $$32K) AG, C, AD RFA - 1	Borgström, Henrik 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C RFA - 2	Nylander, Alexander 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Hardman, Mike 912 500 $912 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kämpf, David 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C UFA - 2	Carpenter, Ryan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Keith, Duncan 5 538 462 $5 538 462 $ DG NMC UFA - 2	Jones, Seth 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Lankinen, Kevin 800 000 $800 000 $ G UFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Murphy, Connor 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Subban, Malcolm 850 000 $850 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kalynuk, Wyatt 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG UFA - 1	Boqvist, Adam 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Gaudette, Adam 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1		Seabrook, Brent 6 875 000 $6 875 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 3
Connolly, Brett 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2		Shaw, Andrew 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG RFA - 3
Entwistle, Mackenzie 811 667 $811 667 $ (32 500 $$32K) AG, C RFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
DeBrincat, A.		Toews, J.		Dach, K.
	Jones, S.		Kane, P.

Avantage numérique 2
Nylander, A.		Borgström, H.		Kubalik, D.
	Kurashev, P.		Boqvist, A.

17 juin 2021 à 17 h 35

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Seth Jones wasn't bad *this* season. He's never been good at anything except being given a lot of minutes to gather points on.

On the other hand Mitchell looks mightily unimpressive as well. I don't think this trade moves the needle in any direction, ironcally.

17 juin 2021 à 17 h 37

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Modifié 17 juin 2021 à 17 h 58

Quoting: MelonVK

Sounds like a fair trade then. Thanks for your imput!

17 juin 2021 à 17 h 50

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If that is all it takes to move Jones then sure, but I would be very hesitent to pay much more as our problem on D exists on the left side not the right side. Murphy, BoQ, Mitchell and Regula are all going to play good roles on the right....we are covered there. The left side is a disaster with asking Keith to still play top pair minutes, relying on Zadarov for anything more then a 3rd line role, and putting weight on Kalynuk, Stillman or Beaudin to jump into a 2nd line role. Acquiring a top line lefty, moving Keith to 2nd line, trading Zadarov opens a lot more doors for this unit to be a better defensive team then to pick up jones. We have trade assets including, Strome, Zadarov, one of Beaudin or Kalynuk, and a 1st round pick and plenty of cap to find us a top line lefty; that should be the focus.

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17 juin 2021 à 18 h 9

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Quoting: ChiHawk

Right handed players can play on the left side. Murphy did it before, and Boqvist has the skill to do it. That being if you really think Regula is going to be something. Even after his ROUGH season in Rockford.

17 juin 2021 à 18 h 11

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Quoting: Unbiased_Hawks_Fan

They can play on the left. Murphy shouldn't. His played declined being on the left. If Boqvist isn't part of the trade...he actually played a little LD in London when Bouchard was there too.

17 juin 2021 à 18 h 27

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A second pick is fair value for Strome. The Caps should spend all their cap space just keeping Ovechkin, though. What does that value look like in terms of player for player?

17 juin 2021 à 18 h 55

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Yeah this ain’t it for Jones. People see him as a top 5 d in the league. It’s gonna be somewhat similar to the reported asking price. A first rounder, a high end prospect and a second. (Mark lazerus reporting).

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17 juin 2021 à 19 h 17

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Quoting: The_Cannon

That's what it should be. I won't argue against that. However he's coming off a bad year. For the analytic people, he's coming off of bad years. And he's also stating that he wants to leave. I could see a team fleecing Columbus, as their hands seem pretty tied at this point.

17 juin 2021 à 19 h 19

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Quoting: Eli

A second pick is fair value for Strome. The Caps should spend all their cap space just keeping Ovechkin, though. What does that value look like in terms of player for player?

Yeah I kind of had a feeling this would come up. The hawks are pretty crowded in a lot of areas right now, and I think the best thing for them right now is to acquire picks for Strome. Perhaps they could retain some of the cap.

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17 juin 2021 à 19 h 29

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Quoting: Unbiased_Hawks_Fan

With this many teams in on Jones, there’s no shot this offer isn’t obtainable. The analytics people won’t trade for him and the old school guys will. I think the jackets are gonna supprise people for a rental player. When was the last time a rental like this was moved? Karlsson? And the only reason that was a so so offer was Ottawa wasn’t sending him to the East. They eliminated half the market.

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17 juin 2021 à 19 h 58

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Quoting: Unbiased_Hawks_Fan

Kekalainen has a pretty solid track record w/r/t not losing these sorts of trades.

17 juin 2021 à 20 h 0

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Quoting: Viqsi

Kekalainen has a pretty solid track record w/r/t not losing these sorts of trades.

I don't know, he's a rental that is asking to leave. His trade value is only going to get worse through the season.

17 juin 2021 à 20 h 2

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Quoting: Unbiased_Hawks_Fan

I don't know, he's a rental that is asking to leave. His trade value is only going to get worse through the season.

And Johansen was a malcontent who was dragging down the locker room. And PLD was the same only worse as he'd actually demanded a trade.

We've heard it many times before.

17 juin 2021 à 20 h 7

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So you're saying they're gonna get another player who is just going to leave in 3 years.

17 juin 2021 à 20 h 32

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Im sorry I can't move past the Suter trade and how unvalued that is for him. I agree with @ChiHawk that our main problems are on the left side of defence and I for one don't want to be giving up Boq++ for Jones. I could handle doing this deal but as stated by other users, this is likely not going to be enough to obtain Jones with the amount of teams in the market for a RD.

17 juin 2021 à 20 h 39

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Where would you put Suter in this lineup?

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